A single set of tracks meant he had probably found another loner mutant on their way to the next safehouse.
Meh, I see nothing substantial. Hoping this might trigger someone else at this point as I'm feeling stuck in a rut.
XMEN THE MAFIA - Day 2: OOC Discussions
Discuss :)
Verileah
20 years ago
Hmm, maybe a loner mutant with an ability to hide who is roughly the same height as Joel will lead us somewhere...
Meh, I see nothing substantial. Hoping this might trigger someone else at this point as I'm feeling stuck in a rut.
Meh, I see nothing substantial. Hoping this might trigger someone else at this point as I'm feeling stuck in a rut.
Hiejinx
20 years ago
I also interpreted the 'pair' to mean one persons's set but I don't understand about the snow and how much that would take to asphyxiate?
I can also see if you were knocked in the head you would be probably unconscious and then dead so obviously not displacing much heat to melt snow but gosh, seems to me an inordinate amount of snow would have to pile up to make this possible and it didn't say blizzard..... and the footprints were still visible....Did anyone hear a bulldozer? j/k I've reread for any sounds...nothing....how about someone able to move large amounts of snow?
Watching CSI every week is not helping me at all :?
I can also see if you were knocked in the head you would be probably unconscious and then dead so obviously not displacing much heat to melt snow but gosh, seems to me an inordinate amount of snow would have to pile up to make this possible and it didn't say blizzard..... and the footprints were still visible....Did anyone hear a bulldozer? j/k I've reread for any sounds...nothing....how about someone able to move large amounts of snow?
Watching CSI every week is not helping me at all :?
Temprah
20 years ago
I think the method of death is more about 1) the mafia members involved had no offensive powers or if they did they were too obvious to risk the others finding and 2) it was something created by a mod, I did a google search for things like russian white death murder etc and got nothing so I am guessing it was made up by a mod or perhaps something they read someplace. Strikes me as a good novel / movie murder method =)
On the footprints.. I think it's when Sabertooth said another pair of footprints comming from the side street when he is referring to the 2 that they have been following (mafia #1 and the poor dead guy) so if he is comparing 1 set to 2 that doesn't read right IMO.
As for when he runs into something solid.. I wouldn't say a grown man attempting to move quickly away and running into a petite woman would be hitting something solid, he'd more likely knock her down. As for who can become invisible there is me, there is Camm, there is Tinct, there is Gianna (through illusions) and possibly even MEC. And whoever he ran into was someone who had made the tracks he had been following. I lean more towards Camm since that is her ability, or Tinct. But that clue is way too vague at this point to be enough to lynch someone on alone.
Let's look for anything that could be tied with 1 and 2.
On the footprints.. I think it's when Sabertooth said another pair of footprints comming from the side street when he is referring to the 2 that they have been following (mafia #1 and the poor dead guy) so if he is comparing 1 set to 2 that doesn't read right IMO.
As for when he runs into something solid.. I wouldn't say a grown man attempting to move quickly away and running into a petite woman would be hitting something solid, he'd more likely knock her down. As for who can become invisible there is me, there is Camm, there is Tinct, there is Gianna (through illusions) and possibly even MEC. And whoever he ran into was someone who had made the tracks he had been following. I lean more towards Camm since that is her ability, or Tinct. But that clue is way too vague at this point to be enough to lynch someone on alone.
Let's look for anything that could be tied with 1 and 2.
MEC
20 years ago
I clicked the reply button before that ^ post, but never hit submit until after you had posted.
Temprah
20 years ago
Interesting thought MEC!! I don;t think we have any Russians? What about combat trained people.. have to go look at my spreadsheet again.. (I am so anal...)
Dia
20 years ago
i want your spread sheet! lol never thought to make one of them!
anyways, could also be the possiblity that Blackrabbits charater made the illusion look like he had been choked with snow and no other other wounds. they walked up and thats what they saw but no one touched the body to check from what i remember.
so maybe she throws that illusion on there as everyone approaches?
anyways, could also be the possiblity that Blackrabbits charater made the illusion look like he had been choked with snow and no other other wounds. they walked up and thats what they saw but no one touched the body to check from what i remember.
so maybe she throws that illusion on there as everyone approaches?
Verileah
20 years ago
spreadsheet>all
Blackrabbit
20 years ago
I suppose I could do that, but it'd take an awful lot of good timing. I can't make illusions from too horribly far away. I know my bio doesn't specify, but I need to be within 20 feet or so for a visual illusion that thorough. My thought was also to look for folks with a military background, but also a scientific one... someone who would know the porous properties of densely-packed snow versus the body's ability to generate heat.
Temprah
20 years ago
Oh good thought, we do have the absent minded professor so quietly amongst us! But as for the illusion thoery. I think if it was just an illusion Sabretooth would have smelled blood, no doubt about it.
Now on to the serial kill..
My first thought would be naturally someone with the ability to make oh say a scythe to chop up the body, but then I realized this is a hardware store filled with handsaws and axes so that can't necesarilly be a strong assumption. They are stronger than an average small female since the torso was described as heavy. This really confirms my original observation that the SK is a man. (from the him used in day one's scenario) Now if we stick with what I had originally said about someone from the east, not used to cold weather, and a male it really meshes with the scythe theory of chopping to just NAIL our resident pot head Jon. I'm going to reread the scenario for more clues...
Now on to the serial kill..
My first thought would be naturally someone with the ability to make oh say a scythe to chop up the body, but then I realized this is a hardware store filled with handsaws and axes so that can't necesarilly be a strong assumption. They are stronger than an average small female since the torso was described as heavy. This really confirms my original observation that the SK is a man. (from the him used in day one's scenario) Now if we stick with what I had originally said about someone from the east, not used to cold weather, and a male it really meshes with the scythe theory of chopping to just NAIL our resident pot head Jon. I'm going to reread the scenario for more clues...
Verileah
20 years ago
So, the serial kill.
Twice in the scene the fact that Evan was murdered in the hand tools aisle was mentioned.
Razor knows hand to hand combat:
Also in the scene, there is a lot of talk about how well protected the hardware store is, how no one broke in, how everything inside was untouched.
Razor wears full body armor.
Really the scene could point to any of the guys, but I think Razor is the best answer.
Twice in the scene the fact that Evan was murdered in the hand tools aisle was mentioned.
Razor knows hand to hand combat:
Razor has been mentored in the fighting arts (hand to hand and melee weapons). He is an accomplished Martial Artist.
Also in the scene, there is a lot of talk about how well protected the hardware store is, how no one broke in, how everything inside was untouched.
Razor wears full body armor.
Really the scene could point to any of the guys, but I think Razor is the best answer.
Blackrabbit
20 years ago
That was my initial response as well, but then I re-read it... Sabretooth rips the iron grate off the door so we can all get in. Therefore, the SK didn't have to break in by himself or herself. They simply came in with us and then wandered off.
We have three people who could potentially fit some of the criteria...
1) Redd: easily becomes invisible, has studied martial arts (see bio), but possibly not strong enough to saw through human bone and lift a corpse into a barrel.
2) Razor, for aforementioned reasons.
3) Jon, who likes to make scythes but can also turn his hands into other things.
Again though, it's kind of vague unless I'm missing some huge clues.
Oh, 4) Tox potentially has the strength to lift a person into a barrel piece by piece. And it doesn't take a bodybuilder to saw through bone.
However, if anyone has ever sawed through bone (I have, dressing and butchering deer), it's fairly loud, and while with a sharp tool it can go quickly, it still takes a lot of elbow grease. For this reason, I think the person has to be fairly strong; in order to lift the pieces and to saw -quickly- through bone, they had to be. Any one of us couldhave sawed through it, but someone with average strength probably would have taken a whole lot longer.
For me to saw through the 4 legs of a deer takes about 10-15 minutes. Human bones are probably a whole lot more dense, especially at the hips and shoulders.
Just some food for thought?
We have three people who could potentially fit some of the criteria...
1) Redd: easily becomes invisible, has studied martial arts (see bio), but possibly not strong enough to saw through human bone and lift a corpse into a barrel.
2) Razor, for aforementioned reasons.
3) Jon, who likes to make scythes but can also turn his hands into other things.
Again though, it's kind of vague unless I'm missing some huge clues.
Oh, 4) Tox potentially has the strength to lift a person into a barrel piece by piece. And it doesn't take a bodybuilder to saw through bone.
However, if anyone has ever sawed through bone (I have, dressing and butchering deer), it's fairly loud, and while with a sharp tool it can go quickly, it still takes a lot of elbow grease. For this reason, I think the person has to be fairly strong; in order to lift the pieces and to saw -quickly- through bone, they had to be. Any one of us couldhave sawed through it, but someone with average strength probably would have taken a whole lot longer.
For me to saw through the 4 legs of a deer takes about 10-15 minutes. Human bones are probably a whole lot more dense, especially at the hips and shoulders.
Just some food for thought?
Verileah
20 years ago
I wasn't saying the SK had to break in himself; I was more pointing out the wording in the scene and how it might tie into a character.
I don't think Redd is all that likely a candidate for SK, but I'll read up on her...I didn't see anything that pointed to invisibility being used in this situation though. And if we're going to accuse Jon every time a murder weapon is used in a death scene, we should be thinking of Razor too because he does the exact same thing. There's just more pushing me to Razor at this point.
Naturally I'll be thinking about it some more :).
I don't think Redd is all that likely a candidate for SK, but I'll read up on her...I didn't see anything that pointed to invisibility being used in this situation though. And if we're going to accuse Jon every time a murder weapon is used in a death scene, we should be thinking of Razor too because he does the exact same thing. There's just more pushing me to Razor at this point.
Naturally I'll be thinking about it some more :).
Xandare
20 years ago
Keep in mind that the murder and the butchering were done in almost complete darkness, so the person who did it (not me i was sulking :) )
would have to have excelent night vision or be able to function in the dark very very well, that and be able to do all of this with surprisingly little mess, one drop of blood and and pool around the bottom of the barrel in question..
so the conditions are darkness, unfamiliar enviroment, disposal method of opportinuity and the nature of the crime. its also different from what you'd expect from someone whos conditioned to kill, i would imagine that a programmed killer would kill as fast as possible and move, the way the body was disposed of was methodical and not overly fast...
somethings to think about..
would have to have excelent night vision or be able to function in the dark very very well, that and be able to do all of this with surprisingly little mess, one drop of blood and and pool around the bottom of the barrel in question..
so the conditions are darkness, unfamiliar enviroment, disposal method of opportinuity and the nature of the crime. its also different from what you'd expect from someone whos conditioned to kill, i would imagine that a programmed killer would kill as fast as possible and move, the way the body was disposed of was methodical and not overly fast...
somethings to think about..
Temprah
20 years ago
Maybe it's the CSI talking.. but chopping up a human body is pretty difficult and messy so yeah they would have to see VERY well in the dark to do it without too much mess like was described.
Blackrabbit
20 years ago
I'm not actually trying to point a finger atm; unless I'm missing something... and really missing something, the whole thing was rather vague to me. The way it was done could pretty much have been any one of us.
Verileah
20 years ago
Just fyi, I'll be gone most of the day today but will be back this evening in plenty of time for voting.
Dia
20 years ago
just a thought with the whole darkness thing. Tinct could make his own light if needed. By changing the colors of the area around. maybe? plus Evan had a flash light with him so maybe they didnt do it in the dark.
the little to no mess tho makes me wonder
the little to no mess tho makes me wonder
MEC
20 years ago
I just keep implicating myself but I'm not going to deny it, my character could see fine in the dark.
now this is what I found in the character description:
I was thinking the excessive mentioning of blood in the SK kill might be a motif pointing to the smell of Zone's teleportation. Also he could of used his telkenetic powers to help him lift the torso which was too heavy for Quinn to lift.
now this is what I found in the character description:
Mutant powers : Teleportation. When he teleports there is a "splurt" sound, red smoke and a faint metallic scent reminiscent of blood. Also has minor telkenetic abilities. He can slide things along a flat surface, but can only lift things about four feet in the air.
I was thinking the excessive mentioning of blood in the SK kill might be a motif pointing to the smell of Zone's teleportation. Also he could of used his telkenetic powers to help him lift the torso which was too heavy for Quinn to lift.
Blackrabbit
20 years ago
It goes to show how badly I solve mysteries when I keep attempting to add 1 + 1 and coming up with 0. :P
From Day 1:
The SK is strong.
The SK has great vision, as also evidenced by the latest hit.
Assuming this was just a d'oh typo, then the SK is a male, or can potentially become male.
The SK did not necessarily use his hands to kill Jubilee.
The SK is no stranger to gore.
However, that said, the SK is also talking care to hide the evidence. The SK also shows some particular skill and/or power in being able to keep this clean.
Just thinking out loud. Perhaps not such a good idea in this game, hehe.
From Day 1:
The mutant surged forward, tossing the debris aside until the crumpled and broken figure beneath it was revealed.
The SK is strong.
All that remained now was a bleak necropolis, extending as far as even a mutant’s enhanced eyes could see.
The SK has great vision, as also evidenced by the latest hit.
A lone mutant sat crouched against the church’s rear wall, staring out across the now desolate cityscape that sprawled out before him.
Assuming this was just a d'oh typo, then the SK is a male, or can potentially become male.
The light of humanity faded from this new predator’s eyes, like a torch being doused, and the killer suddenly stood fully upright and straight, like a soldier at attention, and then once again turned its gaze back down upon her, appraising her in a whole new light. She tried to muster the strength of will to launch a defense, but she did not even possess the strength to scream as she died.
The SK did not necessarily use his hands to kill Jubilee.
Most of the mutants had known her while she was alive, but it still took a long time before someone mustered the fortitude to look at the grisly scene for long enough to identify her as Jubilee.
Warm blood covered her hands and forearms as she pulled the limbs from the barrel, and flowed further up her arms as she lifted the dismembered body parts aloft to get a better look at them: they had definitely been sawed off of the man’s body.
The SK is no stranger to gore.
Her thoughts were cut short as she noticed a small drop of blood on the floor.
Soon, Quinn found what she was looking for, a small puddle of blood in a distant corner of the store floor.
However, that said, the SK is also talking care to hide the evidence. The SK also shows some particular skill and/or power in being able to keep this clean.
Just thinking out loud. Perhaps not such a good idea in this game, hehe.
Cobert
20 years ago
Ok, a few of my clues:
First, whoever Joel bumped into, from what the evidence gives, are roughly the same height as him. So I'll give a list of those who are roughly the same height as him:
Zone at 6'1
Jon at 5'10
Camfluxxor at 5'9
Cache at 5'8
Tinct at 6'
Desire at 5'9
Me at 5'7
Those can appear out of nowhere (phase shift / invis / illusion) from the above list:
Zone ( teleportation)
Camfluxxor (Can fade into background)
I should add though that at 6'1 Zone is a huge strectch. 5 inches is a pretty big difference to see eye to eye. So If I had to conclude on anyone, I would say it would be Camfluxxor.
First, whoever Joel bumped into, from what the evidence gives, are roughly the same height as him. So I'll give a list of those who are roughly the same height as him:
Zone at 6'1
Jon at 5'10
Camfluxxor at 5'9
Cache at 5'8
Tinct at 6'
Desire at 5'9
Me at 5'7
Those can appear out of nowhere (phase shift / invis / illusion) from the above list:
Zone ( teleportation)
Camfluxxor (Can fade into background)
I should add though that at 6'1 Zone is a huge strectch. 5 inches is a pretty big difference to see eye to eye. So If I had to conclude on anyone, I would say it would be Camfluxxor.