Extravagant Gifts mean Better Relationship?

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Study: In dating, extravagant gifts keep on giving

By Michelle Lefort, USA TODAYTue Aug 9, 7:09 AM ET

If you want to win the object of your affection, an extravagant gift that has no resale value is the way to go.

That's not the opinion of a battle-weary veteran of the dating scene. It's the conclusion of a mathematical model created by researchers at University College London.

Dating obviously involves gifts, and not just among humans. Gift-giving also appears in the mating rituals of some insect species. A team of applied mathematicians created a sequential calculation as a model of dating. The new study, designed to explore the role of gift-giving in courtship, appears online in the biological science journal Proceedings of the Royal Society B.

According to the model's creator, Robert Seymour, a math professor at the university, this model reduces dating to a collection of numbers.

The researchers assigned points to an array of courtship behaviors, including gift-giving. The computer considered the hypothetical facts, mulled over a few variables and calculated which behaviors would result in the highest score for the imaginary male or female dater.

This is what applied mathematicians do. They look at these kinds of outcomes and interpret them in a biological framework.

Because the goal was to understand the role of gift-giving, the researchers varied the type of gift the man could give. (Political correctness aside, it was a given that the man was the pursuer and gift-giver.)

In the model, a man chooses a worthless, valuable or extravagant gift. Valuable gifts might include diamonds or appliances, expensive items that have intrinsic value in that they are useful and can fetch a good price if resold. Extravagant gifts, on the other hand, would be something like dinner at a fancy restaurant, tickets to a Broadway show or a moonlit serenade. The value of these gifts is just in the experience.

The model showed that extravagant gifts had the highest score for both men and women. In Seymour's interpretation of the results, women feel confident that they have found a strong and committed mate when they receive an extravagant gift. And men avoid gold-diggers by giving only gifts that have no intrinsic value.

"In order to create trust, it has to work both ways," Seymour says. "The male signals his commitment by giving a costly gift, (but) the male has to avoid a female who will take his assets and then say 'get lost.' "

Would flesh-and-blood women really prefer a horse-drawn carriage ride to a diamond? Relationship experts have mixed feelings about whether the model's insights translate to real life.

Linda Carter, a couples therapist and director of family studies at New York University's child studies center, sees some truth there. "The more the energy, cost, extravagance - the attention - that goes into (a gift), I think the assumption would be that he is really interested."

But personal touches and shared experiences should be considered extravagant, she cautions, rather than costly grand gestures, because these are the best indications of commitment and interest.

Daniel Kruger, a psychologist at the University of Michigan, says the model is a simplistic take on highly complex behavior. "It's interesting to look at, but I wouldn't make an inference about what to do in a relationship based on these models."

Kruger is interested by the evolutionary interpretation of the results. The male peacock's beautiful, and cumbersome, tail might be an example of extravagance in the animal kingdom, he suggests.

"If women are complaining about how men are in relationships, they should think about the hanging fly," Kruger says. The male hanging fly gives the female a gift - a large dead insect - only to take it back after mating to be used in his next encounter.

Mileron 20 years ago
I find this study to be problematic.

Extravagant, as defined by M-W.com (since dictionary.com is down)
2 a : exceeding the limits of reason or necessity b : lacking in moderation, balance, and restraint c : extremely or excessively elaborate
3 a : spending much more than necessary b : PROFUSE, LAVISH
4 : unreasonably high in price

Some of the best gifts I've both given and received have been as stated in the article itself -
Extravagant gifts, on the other hand, would be something like dinner at a fancy restaurant, tickets to a Broadway show or a moonlit serenade. The value of these gifts is just in the experience.


It's not the money that matters. It's the experience. If I spent forty cents on special paper and printing out a poem I wrote just for My Lady, then it's not "extravagant-expensive" but "extravagant-elaborate" if it could even fall under "elaborate."

Like the movie Hitch. The very first thing Will Smith's character gives to Eva Mendes' character is an extremely touching (and yes, in this instance, extravagant-elaborate) gift (which unfortunately fails miserably). That's the kind of gift I enjoy giving, something with meaning, and not the ouch-my-wallet-hurts type.

I guess my main beef is with the usage of "extravagant" in the piece. Extravagant has an expensive, showy connotation and just doesn't fit what they're trying to relay.
Just Erin 20 years ago
Bah, whatever.

It's the effort and thought that counts, not the price tag. Call me corny, but you can't put a price tag on thoughtfulness.
Temprah 20 years ago
/hides miner's pick

I like stuffs! Tangible, here in a month not a waste of cash but a practical investment of time and money.. Sentiment is one thing, and yes it has it's place.. but I'm the type that likes a thing over an intangible.

For example, I would give clothes / coats etc as a present instead of say a fancy dinner or theatre tickets because it's more practicle and you get more use from it. Memories fade very quickly. And even my stuffs are more about use than flash.. like I would love you if you gave me a 120 gb harddrive and think of you all the time I used my PC.. if I got a diamond ring then I'd love it but I wouldn't wear it every day so it's not the same to me.

/shrug
Gilae 20 years ago
dictionary.com
ex·trav·a·gant ( P ) Pronunciation Key (k-strv-gnt)
adj.
Given to lavish or imprudent expenditure: extravagant members of the imperial court.
Exceeding reasonable bounds: extravagant demands. See Synonyms at excessive.
Extremely abundant; profuse: extravagant vegetation.
Unreasonably high; exorbitant: extravagant fees.
Archaic. Straying beyond limits or bounds; wandering.


Extravagant doesn't necessarily denote monetary extravagance. The idea is going above and beyond the norm. Using the example Hitch again, what he did there was what one would call an extravagant gesture. It was beyond the reasonable boundaries of a first date.
Mileron 20 years ago
You do bring up an indirect point, Temprah... Each person is different. :)
Gilae 20 years ago
I hate the word "practical". My mother was always telling me to be practical. Practical is what you spend your money on because you HAVE to....and then often don't have any money aside for things you just WANT.
Mai 20 years ago
Nope, I love thoughtfulness in even the little things. A boyfriend was house sitting for the family once while I was in high school and we went on vacation. He got everyone flowers, my sister, my mother and I and he filled the pantry with the current soda choice of the times.

He wrote poetry, would occasionally pick me up from work with a little stuffed animal.. just various things that said somewhere along the day he was thinking of me and decided to do something.

In return I drew him pictures, wrote poetry and got him the odd gift here and there.

We'd also take surprise dinners to places we both enjoyed or a surprise picnic..

I haven't had someone give me tons of gifts but I don't think they can top the ones done from thoughtfulness..
Gilae 20 years ago
My hubby brought me a tray of sliced apples and cheese with peanut butter while I was playing on the computer and I thought it was about the sweetest thing ever.
ROzbeans 20 years ago
I'm just happy when Veb does the dishes.
Gilae 20 years ago
But...does it turn you on?
ROzbeans 20 years ago
No, not really. Turns me on when he comes home for lunch in his uniform. =D He looks hot in it.
Gilae 20 years ago
Pictures please.
I wonder if I could get Mike to wear a uniform of some kind. I do love the little sailor hats.
ROzbeans 20 years ago
If he lets me take them lol. He think his butt looks big in the bdu's. :teehee
Gilae 20 years ago
Veb...
We LIKE big butts, and we can not lie!
ROzbeans 20 years ago
HAHAHAHA!
Gilae 20 years ago
But wait Mae...if they make his butt look big...how do they look in the front??
Lasairduan 20 years ago
I submitted this with a better headline.

/got nuthin'
//Farker
///TotalFarker
Just Erin 20 years ago
I told Rob just last week that it's too bad he didn't become a cop or something, because he'd be HAWT HAWT HAWT in a uniform.

And I want someone to bring me a tray of apples, cheese, and peanut butter. WHAT THE HELL? Lucky girl.
ROzbeans 20 years ago
He wouldnt let me take the pictures.

'Let me take your picture real quick.'

Weird look. 'Um, no.'

=(
Gilae 20 years ago
Do it when he's not looking. It's the only way.