Women in Refrigerators
For Vulash and anyone else who wants to chime in.
I know this is something I've touched on at various times on TAC, but I like the idea of a metathread. Even though I am posting in Literary ecstasy, feel free to branch out.
I'm kind of surprised that I haven't mentioned Women in Refrigerators before on TAC - maybe I have and it didn't come up in a search, if so, forgive me for repeating myself.
Women in Refrigerators.
If you don't feel like following the link, the site is a list of female comic book characters who have had their powers taken away, been raped, or have been cut up and stuffed into a refrigerator. The name comes from a Green Lantern strip in which his girlfriend is chopped up and, you guessed it, stuffed into a refrigerator. It poses some interesting questions, but what I really want to get at is the idea that women are all too often used as cannon fodder to progress a male character's plot. For me, once I heard about WiF, the cliche started showing up everywhere.
What is it about violence against women that makes for such an irresistible plot point? There's the idea that we're wired to get more upset when women are hurt/killed, either biologically or culturally, and that makes it more interesting. Or maybe it's fashionable in some way - 'look, the women get hurt too, we're not afraid to push people's boundaries because we're just that edgy!'
Whatever - I call it lazy storytelling. Need your main man to make a choice? Kill his wife, that'll get him on his feet! Want to do a storyline where your main man slips into insanity? Rape his girlfriend! I can't decide if it's the laziest or the second laziest (behind 'Want your MC to be angry, brooding, and/or needy? Get that father out of there!') tactic in the book.
In my ideal world, every writer would ask themselves why it is important that a given character be male or female. And if a character is female because they make better cannon fodder, I'd like it if the writer made their pencil disappear (notice the gender neutral pronoun - women are guilty of this laziness too).
Not that that's the only reason writers should consider gender, by any means, but I think that's enough for one post :).
For the record, I don't like being called 'sweetheart' or 'babe' or 'doll' either.
I don't mind deviating from the topic a bit. I actually had something sort of related, regarding books and marketing, that's been on my mind for a couple of weeks now.
Liar
If you don't feel like reading the link (which is long, and may lead to more clicking), the breakdown is that a publishing company released a book with a black female protagonist, and put a white girl on the cover. This is apparently not unusual. I believe there is a version of Orson Scott Card's Magic Street that suffered the same whitewashing.
I don't want to repeat the article - I don't think I have to explain why this is sofa king wrongheaded. But what I've been rolling around in my brain is this idea of artistic integrity. And it sort of ties in with everything we've been talking about.
So - the first thing any writer, or anyone in the industry, says when people complain about the book cover is "Writers have no control over covers." Okay. I...don't know that I believe that. They have choices. They can choose not to work for publishers that do not allow creative freedom and are willing to piss all over your efforts at the 11th hour. Surely there is a way to research these things. And if all else fails, you can fight. You can pull your book. You can throw a fit.
The thing is, the statement 'writers have no control over their covers' is often followed by 'it's lucky I have an awesome publisher who lets me have my say' or something to that effect. What's really going on here? Kind of sounds to me like selling out, and I do hold the writers partially responsible.
But maybe I'm being unfair. Not everyone can be a starving artist, clinging to their ideals and not much else. Thoughts?
Anyway - if you're talking about a big name author then I can understand. However, I'm not so sure the small time trying to make it authors do have much of a choice. They don't make much money, and getting a book published regardless of the amount of pride you have to eat can be the difference in paying the bills or supporting your family - or having to give up your career and get something that pays. Instead I would say the publishers are almost entirely at fault. If you were to boycott reading something I would say every book by the publisher not the author. If you just don't read that author, but continue to read books by the same publisher you're just hurting the guy caught in the middle. I'm not saying you did that by any means - just a generalization.
Now that I've said that. How the **** do they get away with that these days? Oh wait I can cuss on this board. It seems like the press or someone would get ahold of that kind of story and rip them apart.
So I was in a used bookstore the other day killing time, and I was looking over the sci fi/fantasy section to find some new books. I would like to find a few good novels written by female authors - I find the styles to differ a bit, and emphasis to be placed on different things depending on the sex of the author. There really isn't that much out there written by females though that isn't vampire related. Any ideas? I would really like fantasy, but sci fi would be fine as well. I'm not looking for vampire novels, or werewolf romance novels or anything of that sort. I'm not really looking for a warped modern time either.
Ursula K. LeGuin
Joan D. Vinge
Mary Shelley
Anne McCaffrey
Madeline L'Engle
Octavia Butler
Robin Mckinley
Andre Norton
Haven't read Margaret Atwood but she comes highly recommended.
And I'll recommend Emma Bull even though you don't seem interested in magical realism. You might prefer Territory, a magical western, to War of the Oaks, which is straight urban fantasy.
http://www.amazon.com/His-Majestys-Dragon-Temeraire-Book/dp/1596061464/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1266459685&sr=1-2-spell
It's an alternative history of the Napoleonic wars. This isn't the sort of thing that interests me typically, I have no interest in reading about battles, but a friend lent it to me and I actually enjoyed it immensely.
Also, to expand on Verileah's recommendation of the Pern series, the first book is Dragonflight and was originally published in 1968.
Another good female author is Robin Hobb, in particular, the Farseer Trilogy, here is the first book http://www.amazon.com/Assassins-Apprentice-Farseer-Trilogy-Book/dp/055357339X/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1266460527&sr=1-5
I've read this entire thread today and found a lot of food for thought, here. I don't really have anything new to add except that it might be interesting to see a helpless male character get rescued for a change.
Regarding Sansa, I never liked her either, I am complete agreement with Vulash about this character. I'm interested in seeing how she develops going forward but the girl did betray her family in the worst possible way when they'd only shown her love and affection. The Hound was created to be as he is by his environment, you can't help but respect his ability to survive. Arya would be my pick for a favorite character.
Well, I've been sitting at my pc for too long now and am starting to feel it, gonna go cough up a kidney or something.
After reading all this today, I think it would be interesting to see if there is a strong correlation between gender difference in the whole Science Fiction genre. Of course science fiction would have to have a set definition as you both have mentioned because it can mean something different to different people and in different instances. Maybe if I go for my Master's that's what I'll use. or something along the lines of it. I often say I don't like to read science fiction (with the exeption of Ender's game series)because my definition holds alot of images that are space related and I dont like it. But I'm sure I've read stuff that falls in that half way gray area because alot of books are more than one genre. Like the Time Travelers Wife for example..it's listed under fiction at books stores but hello the guy pops in and out of time. This is why I don't want my Master because i'm a little lazy and setting definitions is not my idea time well spent. =)
Also, did you see when the movie Couples Retreat came out the European (i think) poster had excluded the non white cast members? That was in the news at least on Yahoo, how in the world do books get away with it?
Ender's game
:thumbsup
(I looked and couldn't find it either)