Grrr! EQ 1 rant
/rant
Just to vent about something that happened in game last night.
I'm currently a 68 cleric. My mana pool ain't the greatest but I'm working on it, slowly getting upgrades as I complete more DoN's. I can hold my own quite well in a Creator DoN (very hard hitting mobs), and have clericked successfully in Tipt, and I'm a good cleric.
Last night my friends (druid and paladin) and I did a DoN Creator mission and invited a warrior along - I'll call him Dumbass. Now, the paladin has 12k hp without my Conviction, so she's the natural choice for MT. Dumbass, who recently returned to the game, has 9k hp with my Conviction buff.
Dumbass can't NOT taunt when someone else is tanking. I'm constantly having to burn mana on a HoT on him while keeping the MT up as well, because he keeps stealing agro with his taunting. He kept taunting and the monk, thinking "well, he's a warrior, he must be MT," was breaking mezzes while assisting Dumbass. So we wiped and had to re-start. The monk says, "Make Dumbass MT," not realizing of course that Dumbass is made of paper mache.
In the first fight, I know I'm not going to be able to keep this guy alive. I can't CH because his hp's drop way too fast, in 10 seconds he would be dead. So I'm blast healing, which sucks mana like nothing else. As a comparison, for the paladin I throw a HoT on her at the beginning of the fight, and then one CH is all the healing she needs during. Now for Dumbass, I tell the druid in tells that I need help with patch heals. So on one fight, I don't know if the chanter was sleeping or what, but Dumbass died because I couldn't blast heal fast enough, and the druid's patch heals weren't helping. He just dropped like a rock.
When he was rezzed back, someone said "Sorry about the death," and he said ...."It's because of no heals."
Oh HELL no!
Asshole. I had just buffed him with Conviction after he was dispelled, and had 30mana, and then had to blast heal his ass because he's got shit gear. He had two healers going full blast on him (and the druid has like 500 AA's so you know he's got healing power up the wazoo), and he still dropped. But it's my fault.... (rolls eyes) Suuuure, 9k hp's fully buffed as a level 70 warrior is A-OK!!
Grrrrrr!
/rant
Temprah
20 years ago
i feel for clerics, i couldn't do that job, too much stress on a GOOD day, and you add in a dumbass.. /comfort
Viriu
20 years ago
I woulda made it clear that the paladin is the MT, and that if you are not the MT (namely said dumbass) that you were not going to be exclusively healed...AND, I woulda kinda said something along the lines of " so , how many HPs you got? and how many you got? Ok, pally is MT, please WATCH YOUR AGRO"....dork....
/comforts too
/comforts too
ROzbeans
20 years ago
Should've told the fucker off. 'If you weren't such a candy ass warrior, you wouldnt be dead.' I played a cleric and never took that shit.
Vebran
20 years ago
Sounds like it is time for someone to play WoW.
Hijinks
20 years ago
Tried WoW. Got tired of soloing and could never find any groups. Same with EQ 2. Same with Guild Wars.
I wanted to tell the guy off (I remember something along the lines of "aww you died...." escaping my lips as he dropped), but he's in my guild and I didn't want to cause problems and be a "drama queen"...
I wanted to tell the guy off (I remember something along the lines of "aww you died...." escaping my lips as he dropped), but he's in my guild and I didn't want to cause problems and be a "drama queen"...
ROzbeans
20 years ago
Oh he's a guildie? Then I would've told him to shut his fucking trap, get more hp's and stop being a fucking pussy.
Hijinks
20 years ago
Well considering I'm only 1 of 2 clerics in our small guild, and the other one works almost all the time and can never play any more, guess he won't be getting any free guild rezzes....
I miss my old guild on CazicThule. They never put up with any trash talking from guildies about other guildies. But this guy is the cousin of this guild's former guild leader so he can trash talk all he wants and I just have to take it if I want to stay in the guild. I'm not going to group with him again, but if I have to and this shit happens again, he's getting what for and they can kick me out of the guild if they want. There's no excuse for verbally abusing a guildmate (especially when you're a. WRONG, and b. more poorly equipped than they and not as good of a player)
Let me also mention that whenever this guy gets to about 30% health, even if my CH is about to land, he will ALWAYS start running around like an idiot, trying not to die, and 75% of the time he runs out of range of my CH. I keep telling him to stand still and stop being an idiot, but he never listens. Doesn't have the temperament to play a tank, imho - to be a good tank you stand there and take damage, and trust the healer to keep you up.
I miss my old guild on CazicThule. They never put up with any trash talking from guildies about other guildies. But this guy is the cousin of this guild's former guild leader so he can trash talk all he wants and I just have to take it if I want to stay in the guild. I'm not going to group with him again, but if I have to and this shit happens again, he's getting what for and they can kick me out of the guild if they want. There's no excuse for verbally abusing a guildmate (especially when you're a. WRONG, and b. more poorly equipped than they and not as good of a player)
Let me also mention that whenever this guy gets to about 30% health, even if my CH is about to land, he will ALWAYS start running around like an idiot, trying not to die, and 75% of the time he runs out of range of my CH. I keep telling him to stand still and stop being an idiot, but he never listens. Doesn't have the temperament to play a tank, imho - to be a good tank you stand there and take damage, and trust the healer to keep you up.
Lolanae
20 years ago
After watching my husband (a paladin) tank, in our groups, we'd only have warriors tank if they out HP'd my hubby. With his stuns/group heals and such, he kept aggro and got it quickly. Our cleric friends started to try to see if they could purple club him one day, and he stood there and took the damage lol. It was funny. That's another good thing about pallies, in a tight spot, they can patch heal themselves till that CH lands.
And like the other's said, I would have asked both people what their hps/ac was, and gone with the higher one. One thing I learned in EQ, is never to piss off your healer and crowd control. =)
And like the other's said, I would have asked both people what their hps/ac was, and gone with the higher one. One thing I learned in EQ, is never to piss off your healer and crowd control. =)
Gilae
20 years ago
This is true.
If you're in the right, then you oughta say so. No leet e-penis carrying male would take that kinda crap. If Anulien/Pharren/Vulash had been there, fucker would've gone home crying to mom by the time they were done with him. Neither Mae or I would put up with someone who sucks playing just because some guy might not like it...of course Mae and I have HUGE e-cocks. Don't be a girl! If someone sucks, give them shit about it...or else they won't lurn nuthin.
Mae tells suckass warrior_001: Hi. You will get no heals today cause you play like a pansy ass. Learn to play your toon or die bitch!
Gilae tells suckass monk_001: Sit your ass on the curb and let a real puller pull mobs, fucking weak ass monk. Break one of my mezzes again and I will break your neck.
Maelarya
Should've told the fucker off. 'If you weren't such a candy ass warrior, you wouldnt be dead.' I played a cleric and never took that shit.
This is true.
If you're in the right, then you oughta say so. No leet e-penis carrying male would take that kinda crap. If Anulien/Pharren/Vulash had been there, fucker would've gone home crying to mom by the time they were done with him. Neither Mae or I would put up with someone who sucks playing just because some guy might not like it...of course Mae and I have HUGE e-cocks. Don't be a girl! If someone sucks, give them shit about it...or else they won't lurn nuthin.
Mae tells suckass warrior_001: Hi. You will get no heals today cause you play like a pansy ass. Learn to play your toon or die bitch!
Gilae tells suckass monk_001: Sit your ass on the curb and let a real puller pull mobs, fucking weak ass monk. Break one of my mezzes again and I will break your neck.
Hijinks
20 years ago
Jeez, I wish I could grow an e-cock =\ I've been stressing all day about posting this here, thinking it would get back to him and he'd yell at me or get me thrown out of the guild.
Temprah
20 years ago
Seems you brownie gals are quite the ball busters :p But very good point.
ROzbeans
20 years ago
If they're going to throw you out of the guild for playing hard like most guys do, then that's not the guild for you. I gave up on playing nice with dip shits a long time ago. Now, dont get us brown girl's wrong, Gilly and I were the nicest girls in our guilds but probably because we talked as much shit as the rest of the guys. EQ isn't about playing nice, it's about talking shit and getting away with it =D
Wait no, that was for raiding. =D Good times. Our last guild wasn't for candy ass newbie players. Shit, our last guild was forced to disband. That's how a guild should die. We rolled hard on Solro. /mourn solro
Listen to me, I'm all e-thug hard :teehee
Wait no, that was for raiding. =D Good times. Our last guild wasn't for candy ass newbie players. Shit, our last guild was forced to disband. That's how a guild should die. We rolled hard on Solro. /mourn solro
Listen to me, I'm all e-thug hard :teehee
Gilae
20 years ago
Well...it really depends on how mad you end up getting and how many times you have to repeat yourself. I always made it a point not to play with non-guildies because you always end up running into someone who really sucks. But if they're in the guild and they really suck then they have to learn not to suck because next time it could be a raid they ruin for everyone. If all else fails, screenshot what goes down and when they go to "yell" at you, show it to them with the caption "WTF" or "That is all." If they still don't get it, and they want to kick you out over it, then you don't want to be guilded with morons anyway imo. When they start losing clerics because they don't know what they're doing, maybe it will occur to them to listen and learn.
I'm really not as mean as all that...I'd have to be pretty mad to go on to someone like that...but I've had the pleasure of learning raid leading and how to be a bard from a pretty mean mofo (namely Anulien) and I know Mae has also had her share of hardcore asshole raid leaders and players that she's learned from...and you learn that having a thin skin (not that either Mae or I have one to begin with) when in the middle of doing something intense in EQ, is a waste of time. Nothing gets won by being defensive and you don't learn anything by being defensive. It's just like art...c/c is necessary and sugar coating it doesn't help you learn. You were in the right in this case and if he wasn't so busy being macho with his taunt envy and thinking he knew best, then he might've learned something from you. Nothing worse than a warrior who doesn't know when to taunt. Every fool tank knows to bow out to the greater hp and ac.
Anulien lesson 101: If you don't yell at someone when they repeatedly fuck up, they'll keep on doing it.
Anulien lesson 102: If you yell at someone when they fuck up and are REALLY mean about it they won't forget and won't do it again.
Anulien lesson 103: After you yell at someone don't ever apologize. But if they improve say something like "that's much better, good job!" Conversely, if they don't improve, kick them out of the raid.
I'm really not as mean as all that...I'd have to be pretty mad to go on to someone like that...but I've had the pleasure of learning raid leading and how to be a bard from a pretty mean mofo (namely Anulien) and I know Mae has also had her share of hardcore asshole raid leaders and players that she's learned from...and you learn that having a thin skin (not that either Mae or I have one to begin with) when in the middle of doing something intense in EQ, is a waste of time. Nothing gets won by being defensive and you don't learn anything by being defensive. It's just like art...c/c is necessary and sugar coating it doesn't help you learn. You were in the right in this case and if he wasn't so busy being macho with his taunt envy and thinking he knew best, then he might've learned something from you. Nothing worse than a warrior who doesn't know when to taunt. Every fool tank knows to bow out to the greater hp and ac.
Anulien lesson 101: If you don't yell at someone when they repeatedly fuck up, they'll keep on doing it.
Anulien lesson 102: If you yell at someone when they fuck up and are REALLY mean about it they won't forget and won't do it again.
Anulien lesson 103: After you yell at someone don't ever apologize. But if they improve say something like "that's much better, good job!" Conversely, if they don't improve, kick them out of the raid.
ROzbeans
20 years ago
Yeah I wasn't sure how I'd get along with anulien when I came back to raid with AOT, but he's a sweetie if you're not stupid. Of course I got saddled with babysitting the recruits to which I responded with 'who wants to be class leader because I'm not doing this shit'. =D I got labeled as the 'guild mom' though. I suppose that's better than going from 'psycho bitch - psycho bitch slut (since all women who are flirty are sluts in eq /rolls eyes) to 'that girl who does sigs'.
I miss AOT =( It is about being thick skinned and being able to take what you dish out.
I miss AOT =( It is about being thick skinned and being able to take what you dish out.
Anulien
20 years ago
Unfortutetely my award winning personality lands me in a ton of unwarranted confrontation. Especially in my WoW guild where people like to hold hands and hug and reward everyone equally. Its like Darkblood for WoW sometimes. I feel bad for Vulash sometimes because he has to listen to me bitch on one end and then has to listen to the other end bitch about me.
Vulash is my eLove.
Vulash is my eLove.
Gilae
20 years ago
I find your use of the word "unwarranted" somewhat funny ;)
Anulien
20 years ago
Just wanted to quote and bold for emphasis. We won MMORPGs in my not so humble opinion.
Maelarya
Shit, our last guild was forced to disband. That's how a guild should die.
Just wanted to quote and bold for emphasis. We won MMORPGs in my not so humble opinion.
Xandare
20 years ago
dammit, reading this thread made me miss EQ really bad..
I can't count how many times this has happened to me and i've never understood Agro-Pride.. your trying to prove you can out agro the other tank just cause your XXXX class or you have XXXX piece of gear? if you were qualigfied to be the MT then you wouldn't be thinking anything other than, 'is this asshole trying to steal agro from me?...ok' and let them die cause there a fuckhead..
I can't count how many times this has happened to me and i've never understood Agro-Pride.. your trying to prove you can out agro the other tank just cause your XXXX class or you have XXXX piece of gear? if you were qualigfied to be the MT then you wouldn't be thinking anything other than, 'is this asshole trying to steal agro from me?...ok' and let them die cause there a fuckhead..
Hijinks
20 years ago
Well, if my pally friend wanted to be a bitch about it, she could have kept him from stealing agro by using her stuns and other tools at her disposal. However typically, by the time a player reaches 70, if he's playing a tank class, he/she knows not to steal agro if not the MT. Once or twice, sure, ok whatever. But not every fight so that the cleric has to waste mana on your fat ogre ass. My pally friend probably assumed that he'd knock it off at some point, but also she's a quiet person and doesn't yell at all. Likewise the druid that was there doesn't yell. If it had been certain of my friends in the group with me, they would have yelled at him for me, but I was so pissed off and sputtering "what the f...." in my living room to yell at him.
I need to think up some shit to say back to him ahead of time for the next time this happens, so that I can type it quickly.
I need to think up some shit to say back to him ahead of time for the next time this happens, so that I can type it quickly.
Gilae
20 years ago
How about just a "stop taunting, you're not the MT" or a "stop stealing aggro from the MT cause I can't heal you and the MT too" and when he says "I am the MT" then say "better tell that to the pally who is > than you then"