Huh?

Ok im sorry. I understand that the holocaust was a god awful event. I realize people are still alive today that went through it, it royally fucking sucks and hitler should have been the victim of all the fucked up experiments done in his concentration camps.

But i think its complete and total bullshit that people who were born 20 fuckin years ago are "offended" because they were born a jew, and 50 years ago, jews were roasted hardcore.

Thats like me being offended that someone picked on my grandma. sure its way smaller scale and hardly compares to the grotesque situation the WW2 jews faced, but same bloody concept. jesus christ people. Just because you share the same god damn skin color as the people who were enslaved 200 fuckin years ago doesn't give you the right to be butt-hurt over it.

Get enslaved, then bitch.

THAT is what pisses me off about the 'whiny black folk' who think we should all be licking their feet.

It'd piss me off about jews too that do it, but i haven't actually met a jew that whined about their ancestors being victimized.

It'd piss me off if white people walked around bitter as fuck about their ancestors being slaved out as whores across seas ( yeah this still happens ). Just because Joe got tortured, doesn't mean Bob deserves some special treatment too. which is exactly what they* expect.

I understand people do not share my point of view. But racism will NEVER end if people can't get the fuck over what happened 200 years ago.


*they = the people who think they deserve something because blacks were enslaved etc.

And on mylec's train of thought, about white people not knowing what its like to be victims of racism... im damn near positive there are white folk that are constantly victimized, especially in areas where the thug life is way more prominent than blue collar working types. i mean come on, you are prime example. you can't walk into a black neighborhood without people wanting to shoot you because you're white? The only time a white man's really gonna pull a gun on a black man is if the black man is in the dude's house, garage or some shit. not just because he's walkin down the street. maybe in the deep backwoods south , but they'll probably come at you with a pitchfork or some shit.

I have been exposed to racism all my life, my parents are HARDCORE racists, and i can't stand it. i am done trying to educate them though. the only reason people hate jews and black people now is to look cool, fit in with their stupid ass crowd. The only reason black people act the way they do, talk ebonics, and mumble incoherent english and come up with fucked up slang and ALL WEAR THE SAME DAMN OUTFITS is to be considered cool.

Until people can stand on their own and not give a fuck if they fit in with the rest of the dumb bitches, racism is going to exist, sterotypes and prejudice will continue on, just as it has in the past.

i have met some majorly awesome folk, of all different types of races, i've dated several races too. I cannot sit here and generalize all black people to be 'niggers' or whatever else, uneducated fuckheads. thats like me trying to believe the sky is pink, when i see that it's clearly blue. until everyone else ( including whites and blacks ) can straighten up and give the other guy a chance to show they arent just some 'dumb white cracker bitch' or 'dumb nigger', they'll automatically pre-judge everyone different from them.

and as easy as it sounds... people make it hard as fuck to do.

yeah so this is long winded and not really linear, but whatever. i hate all people equally. if you're stupid, i hate you. i dont give a shit if you're made of pearl or obsidian.

Porch Monkey 4 Life!

I know this isn't a hate board, and I'm not supposed to flame people, but you're entire post was stupid and flawed. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. And with that out of the way...

I'm not sure if you're misguided or just ignorant about people being upset about racism from slavery or the holocaust. When I was 7 years old and I was the only the black kid in my grade and possibly the entire school, it wasn't slavery racism I was upset about. It was, ya know, being called a nigger or negro by white kids. Slavery was unfortunate, whatever, but I'm not complaining about it now or ever, and I guarantee a huge percentage of other black people aren't either. They are complaining about being fucked over IN THE PRESENT over something out of their control.

You seem to think by having parents who are racist you understand it, but you sure don't. Just reading that post it seems to be filled with unintentional racism that you have on an unconscious level. Well anyway, if you respond, I'll be sure to address your errors there as well.

Assuming because someone is white that they have no clue what your talking about is also equaly stupid and wrong.

And i hear the term "nigger and negro" thrown about by more black people when addressing each other than by white people using it in a derogatory sense. Black people themselves make it the "cool" thing to call each other. You hear it everyday, in rap music and in any movie depciting the projects.
thats the differance that i don't understand. Its ok for blacks to run around and call each other nigger, nagga, or whatever spelling you would care to use, and teach the younger generation that its the way to address each other. yet when a white, or any non-black person uses it they scream reacism.

Look to your peers and the publicly visible figures in the black community and thank them for that.

thanks Keriath. You kind of clarified part of what I couldn't articulate.

gylius

i know what i wrote is not very clear, but you took what i said wrong, and you looked for the racism in it. Just because you dont bitch about being enslaved 200 years ago, doesn't mean other people don't.

So until you've walked a mile or two im my shoes, you really have no fucking clue what i've been exposed to.

You can't call me a racist because I call it how it is. Here, in Memphis, the majority of black people act like hoodlums, being all stupid and childish. What do they expect? You act like a bitch, you'll be treated like a bitch. Sure as hell ain't getting an ounce of respect from me. And yeah, there's a few white folk that join in. And i won't deny it, I discriminate. I fucking hate those kind of people, I dont care what color they are. Its the mentality that makes me sick.

In my highschool, the black people wouldn't be caught dead sitting at a table with a white person. not because the white people would bitch or start shit, but because they didnt want to associate with white people. They bitched about segregation, yet when there's no segregation laws, they do it anyways. They bring it on themselves. Running around, throwing their gang signs, talking their shit, carrying their guns. And then wonder why someone locks their car doors when they walk by. Damn right they lock the doors. they dont want to be robbed or shot. It might not happen where you live, but around here, you'll get shot for looking at someone, and they took offense to it.

No one likes a hoodlum, and its no one's fault but their own that they fall in a crowd like that. Believe it or not they can get out and do honest living work. But they're stupid and/or lazy and don't want to do it the hard and proper way that might take effort.

of course, you'll say im racist, because thats all you care to see.

you can't ever have a conversation or discussion about racism or religion or even politics with people and be real about it. Always got to walk around on pins or needles since everyone's so god damn defensive they can't even take what is being said within proper context.

she typed nigger. that racist cunt.

for clarification:
rac·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rszm)
n.

1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.


2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

racist adj. & n.
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racist
adj 1: based on racial intolerance; "racist remarks" 2: discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion [syn: antiblack, anti-Semitic, anti-Semite(a)] n : a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others [syn: racialist]



I dont think white people are superior than everyone else. I dont see a black person and go "oh damn, he's going to rob me". If i see "A PERSON" that looks menacing, i'll think "oh damn, he's going to rob me".

its all about presentation. If you dont want to be perceived as a hoodlum, then don't act and dress like one. its that fucking simple.



here is a convo i had with roz, maybe it will further illustrate my point. Just because i'm observant doesn't make me a racist.

kat: ​the fact is
[51PM] kat: hoodlums tend to be black
[51PM] kat: its not my fault
[51PM] kat: its their fault
[51PM] kat: they choose to be like that
[51PM] kat: just because i can recognize the pattern doesnt mean im racist
​[52PM] rozbeans: ​"hoodlums tend to be black' - to be honest, that sounds narrow minded. people who perpetuate the stereotype, regardless of age or race, tend to be hoodlums. wiggers included.
[52PM] rozbeans: i understand what you're saying, but yeah it's not coming across that way =(
​[53PM] kat: ​thats because people are afraid to admit i'm right
​[53PM] rozbeans: ​well i don't think most hoodlums are black.
​[53PM] kat: ​they are here
[53PM] kat: but that could be
​[53PM] rozbeans: ​serial killers are white men in their 40's
[53PM] rozbeans: do you know how rare it is to have a black serial killer? i know of 2
​[53PM] kat: ​serial killers arent hoodlums
​[53PM] rozbeans: ​sure they are
[53PM] rozbeans: they're educated men as well
​[54PM] kat: ​lol
[54PM] kat: hoodlums are trouble making loud obnoxious fuckers who do gang stuff
​[54PM] rozbeans: ​my point is...i guess i'm trying to be neutral in my definition of it. what you've been exposed to out there in the south...well yeah i can see where you're coming from
[54PM] rozbeans: take gylius for example. he dresses like a thug but he's articulate and educated. loves his mom and goes to college.
[55PM] rozbeans: but one look at him would frighten you. he's tall and intimidating looking and with a hoodie...looks like a thug
​[55PM] kat: ​well then he asks for it
[55PM] kat: im sorry
[55PM] kat: but if you're going to look like one
​[55PM] rozbeans: ​no one asks to be treated poorly, kat
​[55PM] kat: ​except to get the flack like you're one
[55PM] kat: expect
[55PM] kat: its part of human nature to look at something and decide if it looks dangerous or welcoming, its survival instincts
​[56PM] rozbeans: ​i guess from a black person's point of view, it's not the educated, good black guy who likes to wear baggy clothes fault that other black people commit crime in the same gear
​[56PM] kat: ​you cant go through life without associating certain aspects with outcomes.
[56PM] kat: i get called a goth all the time
[56PM] kat: because i wear black clothes
​[56PM] rozbeans: ​well you can go through life trying not to prejudge someone
​[56PM] kat: ​im not goth, or so i dont think so.
[57PM] kat: just saying.
​[57PM] rozbeans: ​the board is a perfect example of a little slice of america
[57PM] rozbeans: we're a racist country
​[57PM] kat: ​people associate baggy clothes, gold teeth, blinged out shit with hoodlums
​[57PM] rozbeans: ​or mtv
​[58PM] kat: ​if you dont want to be associated with that type of society circle
[58PM] kat: you have to change your style accordingly
​[58PM] rozbeans: ​personally i dont think style makes the person, but yes appearance does matter
​[58PM] kat: ​well not style
​[58PM] rozbeans: ​i dont like baggy clothes on men. i like to see that ass, thank you
​[58PM] kat: ​appearance is what i meant
[59PM] kat: its the way humanity is
[59PM] kat: point blank
[59PM] kat: and you cant change it
[59PM] kat: you have to accept it and deal with it
[59PM] kat: if i truly hated being called a goth
[59PM] kat: i would not wear black
[59PM] kat: i'd not do black eyeshadow
[59PM] kat: i'd wear preppy shit
[59PM] kat: but i dont CARE
​[59PM] rozbeans: ​see, but you do continue to dress the way YOU want
​[59PM] kat: ​so i carry on with what i like.
​[59PM] rozbeans: ​exactly
​[5:30PM] kat: ​but with that, i accept any "stupid goth" comments i might get
[5:30PM] kat: sure that person is making an ignorant comment since they don't know me, but its their loss
[5:30PM] kat: why should i sweat over it ?
​[5:30PM] rozbeans: ​i guess people who dress baggy who aren't thugs want people to see them for who they are, not how they dress - but yes i agree iwth you, people never will look past that

I want to reiterate, here in memphis, where i've lived for 95% of my life, this is how it is. I know its different elsewhere, which is why i want to LIVE elsewhere. I dont like the tension between races here.

Being pierced and odd-dressed in Memphis exposes me to a lot of discrimination from white people. White people look at me like im trash. Tell me if i ever want a real job, i need to take my stuff out. I tell them to kiss my ass, they can like it or lump it. I dont care what they perceive me as, because what they think doesn't do shit to or for me. They can keep on thinking i'm a troublemaker. I dont' care. I think they look ridiculous in their cowboy boots. *shrug* People care too much what nobodies think.


later convo:

kat: ​i guess people fail to see im speaking objectively
​[5:54PM] rozbeans: ​well you have a different kind of tone lol
​[5:55PM] kat: ​i know
[5:55PM] kat: i fail at speaking
[5:55PM] kat: all i can say is
[5:55PM] kat: im not racist.
[5:55PM] kat: i dont hate black people
[5:55PM] kat: i dont hate mexicans
[5:56PM] kat: i dont hate pinays or germans or jews
[5:56PM] kat: i dont care who or where you're from
[5:56PM] kat: i'll probably envy you if you have black hair and dark skin
[5:56PM] kat: but other than that
[5:57PM] kat: it just doesn't matter to me what color your skin is. its how you act
[5:57PM] kat: its not always what you wear that gives you away.
[5:57PM] kat: its how you carry yourself.
[5:58PM] kat: hell for instance
[5:59PM] kat: if you wear mini skirts, stilettos, and a shirt that shows a fuckload of cleavage, extravagant makeup
[5:59PM] kat: you're a whore
[5:59PM] kat: you could be a harvard educated PhD neuro surgeon
[5:59PM] kat: but because you dress like that, people will think you're a whore.
[5:59PM] kat: can't help it
​[6:01PM] rozbeans: ​you're a lot clearer now than in your post lol

This I think is the issue that you're failing to understand...we're not talking about people who look (or even are) gangsters. We're talking about a black man or a black woman who is well dressed, well educated, works a 9 to 5 job, has money...and is STILL perceived as being a stupid lazy nigger who is going to steal your money when your back is turned. This happens. This is real. This is what the black populace is faced with EVERY DAY. They have to try twice as hard to get half as far. It isn't imagined. It's real. As a woman, you should be able to better empathize with the problem.

What you're arguing is in the same vein as telling a woman she asked for it because she dressed a certain way. You're a pretty girl who enjoys creating sexually explicit art and who dresses somewhat provocatively on occasion. It's not ok for the guys on this board to comment on it or to e-stalk you on the presumption that you're "asking for it". The idea would be ludicrous and Roz would (and has) bitch-slapped anyone who tried to say so. So should it be fair then that Gylius, who is an educated black man, be referred to as a thug and a nigger because he is black and it might be construed from that fact alone that he should be feared? And what happens when you tell a female, from the time that they're an infant, that they're nothing but a whore and are useless for anything but to look pretty and to please some man...doesn't it become true? We have areas of this country where the expectations for a black man to succeed at anything other than being a thug is so prevalent that they don't put any money into the schools to teach these kids how to improve themselves. We live in a country where we brag about equality and freedom and we go into other countries to assist in huge human rights campaigns and yet we've yet to completely clear out the human rights atrocities in our own country.

I see a lot of posts here pointing at the black population and saying they should "get over it" because slavery doesn't exist anymore. Well...no SLAVERY doesn't, at least not in the pickin' cotton sense of the word, and if that was the end of it then probably people WOULD "get over it". History, however, repeats itself. If you think we are living in some "enlightened society" and that it could never happen again, then you haven't ever read a history book. So really, it seems that what you are objecting to is that it appears to you that many black people have resentment over racism that was, that is, and that could be. I don't know what to tell you about that. I'm only half black and I resent it too. You should be asking why you don't.

I'm not saying I agree with taking a radical us or them attitude with regards to the minority issues in this country. But I do empathize and see how they might've gotten to that point. I think it would be fair to say "get over it" when we start seeing a racial or sexual minority in the President's seat.

fair enough gilae. i see where you are coming from. I didn't like the lewd sexual comments I got after people saw my pics, so I took them down. Everywhere. Now the only people online who know what i look like, know it from a year ago.


well. this thread has actually taught me a lot.

everywhere its different. I don't know. In my head, i can't look at a well-dressed/behaved black guy and think negative derotagory remarks, unless he is explicitly doing something to make me think otherwise. like robbing a bank or shooting shit.

I just don't think like that. It pains me that other people do. And i'm sorry that other people have to go through that.

/rubs her browness on vex
/cops a feel
/runs away!

This has nothing to do with her being white. It has to do with this:




With this quote she proved she had no idea what she was talking about.

I can't put a number on it, but I bet like 90% of black people (maybe more) don't ever bitch about slavery. I don't think I have once in my life. Weird. I know. They bitch about shit that's real to them.

Here's something that people who don't have relatives, or someone with a first-hand experience don't understand. I have cousins who live/lived in dirt poor areas of Los Angeles. I'm talking straight out of Boyz'N'The'Hood. All of them got out of there and go to prestigious schools for one reason. They're brilliant. They were already so far ahead of other students that they got scholarships to go to decent schools so they could succeed.

Now take an average student or someone who maybe is slightly dumb and put them in the same situation. You think with books that are 30 years old, and teachers who don't care about anything, that those students can make it out? That same student at the high school I went to is getting a college degree at ASU or something. And they'll actually live a well-off life.

But that isn't the way it is in places that are dirt poor (regardless of race) and a lot of people don't understand that. Then people question why you have a sky high crime rate? It's the only thing you can do to make a living because no one hires someone without a high school diploma.

it may sound absurd to you gylius, it sure did to me, but i have witnessed first hand, black people, in memphis, talking about how they deserve a break because of slavery.

i know. i thought, what the fuck are you smoking. so yeah, maybe you've never heard it. I have.

/e-sexes roz

Considering that black people make up less then 12% of the US population, I think that representation of them in politics should be about that. However, the black popluation has had historically a unified voice in politics which make it seem bigger then it really is. I hate to say it but the reason why the black vote isn't courted as heavily as it is by todays politicians, is except for a few major cities with large black populations, they truely represent a smaller chunk of the voteing pie.

However the true disparity in American politics today is with the Hispanic community. They now represent 25% (And growing FAST!) of the US population. That doesn't include the ones that are not documented. Yet they are currently woefully under represented in US politics. Mark my words, this will change soon.

I have worked in 2 predominately hispanic areas in the last 8 months, enough that I can now sell basic auto parts in Spanish (with a terrible American Boy accept) and can tell you that the figure of 25% is probably off by 8% because of how many people come undocumented into this country. I will also say, and I don't care how un-PC this is, that I would higher a fresh off the boat hispanic person over ANY american kid out of highschool. They are the hardesr working folk ever. They don't take sick days, are rarely late, and come in and work a straight 8 hour shift coming from another job. To put a figure on this, hispanic owned small businesses generated something on the order of $4 billion US last year, and that number is going up by like 20% a year. It makes them the biggest money block besides the white folks.Oh, and they vote early and vote often.

In summation, the landscape of US politics is changing rapidly, and inside the next 10 years you will find that issues that concern the hispanic community taking a forefront, and things like affirmitive action will take a back seat. Politicans go where the money and the votes are, well at least the ones who win elections do. By the next presidential race, you will see what I am talking about, and mark my words in 10 years, the issues that effect the hispanic community and the white community will be the front page news. Do not be suprised if the president elect in 2016 is bi-ligual.

I know this might aggitate some people, but take a look at the census numbers. They don't lie. Looking at it from a purely emperical perspective, expect a major change. Not much that can be done to stop it either.

Besides, isn't a little revolution good once and a while? I personally curious to see where this goes.

Prosecution

Oh I forgot.

Hispanic chicks are teh HOT!

Brownies are coming. You can't stope us. We have a crayon.

I'm not going to do this, but you can if you want to prove me wrong. Find the black population of mephis. Then run that percentage against the total population of blacks. Tell me if that hits more than 10% or, ya know, 1%.

I didn't say I hadn't heard of it, I said that the percentage was so low it didn't matter. Feel free to prove me wrong and that memphis is the black capital of the world. And all of them apparently bitch about this. Which is awesome cause my dad was born in Memphis and somehow made it to Harvard...

well if you've heard it too, then how can you sit there and say im stupid for saying i hear it ?

This has gotten dumb. All you're trying to do is twist my words and try to make me look like something im not. I never said black people were incapable of going to harvard. I never said black people were stupid. I merely shared my frustrations and experiences and now you're trying to "lynch" me for it.

fuck it.

i dont care. think whatever the fuck you want, at the end of the day, you're just a name on a message board that don't mean jack shit to me.

I can't speak for Gyl, but I wasn't trying to lynch you (or anyone else) with my comments. As I said originally, I have these types of discussions with my (white) husband all the time. It is just really difficult to perceive the big picture regardless of your point of view and that's made even more difficult if your point of view is somewhat narrowed by the fact that you can't see what's on the other side of the fence. I guess what lesson there is to learn from all of this is using words and expressions like "always" or "most" or "those people" should be avoided especially if you're not in a position of complete understanding.

my last comment was directed at gylius.

As i said earlier, i learned that things are different everywhere. And if what pros says is true, and only 12% of the US is black, then well. obviously things are vastly different in memphis than everywhere else.

And unless someone has lived in every city in the US for an extended period of time, no one is capable of 'complete understanding'.

i can only speak of my own personal experiences. It would be rather stupid of me to do otherwise.

Im done with this thread though. I dont like tension, and i dont like my words being twisted around. which is whats happening. so i'll take my exit and leave you all to happily discuss whatever you want.

This does indeed seem like it has turned more into a word twisting "win the argument at all costs" type thread then an actual debate with an open mind to see the other persons point of view. Which is why I quit responding a few pages back.

Ps - I miss you Gilae! :P

This wasn't really about word twising. Here's the problem with having a conversation with text. There is no inflection, there is intonation in your voice. All I have to read are the words you use. If you mean something different, how am I supposed to know what it is? I simply cannot.

She was using blanket statements in her posts. Which is awesome since she lives in Memphis. Out of the 35-40 million black people in the US, apparently living in a city with 700,000 gives you a deep understanding. She was typing as if she assumed everyone in the entire United States acts like they do in Memphis. Or as if every black person in Memphis acts the same. So I responded.