All things considered, it was a great event hon. The fact that we only had one person not turn in, and almost everyone else chomping at the bit to turn in early, them's good odds I'd say ;)
Did it piss me off that Wystro got shafted? Hell yeah! Did it kill me to rush around trying to make him something worthy of having my name on it? Not really, but that's not the point.
I did enjoy making the pic for him, believe me, but it was time spent that should have been spent with my daughter on the weekend. I bounced between her and the puter and getting hubby ready for work that day. Luckily the night before exhaustion had already claimed me so I'd crashed super early and slept damn near 10 hours lol. So I was able to spend some quiet time that night after kiddo went to bed getting most of it done, then tweaking the rest in the morn after she got off to school.
That all said, I don't like rushing on something like that. Which is why I also went back again last night and remade the char and made that into a wallpaper for Wystro. I don't think it's fair that someone who spent hours of their time pouring into their side of an exchange, only gets a half assed attempt from someone in return.
So to thisstuffinside: Was it worth it to alienate an entire group of fellow artists because you couldn't come thru with your end of a commitment? Wystro took the time to come up with quite a unique character background for someone to play with, and you basically threw that away. So in a way, thank you. You gave me the opportunity to stretch my own wings a bit, and throw myself into a challenge. So yeah, thanks!
Empty handed exchanges.
With our recent Beam Me Up event completed, we had an almost 100 percent turn out except for dear Wystro who was stiffed by a new member but regular on deviantart.com - Thisstuffinside. I thought maybe something was wrong or he was busy but when he didn't reply to my notes or emails, I went over to his section and saw that he was happily commenting and had read my note.
Not one reply.
I find it discourteous that someone wouldn't turn in their half to something THEY signed up for, but to not reply? Not even to say, 'hey I don't have the time'? That...is rude. That is mean. Till I hear different, and believe me it better be wrath of god different, he is banned from future events and unless he is posting an apology to Wystro and Eve - he's not welcomed at TAC.
I'm really sad about this. I've had it done to me twice now and literally in a row. I just want to apologize to Wystro and Eve for the inconvenience this may have caused them. =/ Y'all feel free to vent or comment and I'm even open to suggestions on how to prevent this from happening now that we have so many people signing up for our exchanges - WHICH I APPRECIATE! =D
Eve
19 years ago
tamaelia
19 years ago
I felt totally saddened when I learned Wystro wasn't going to receive his artwork. Especially under circumstances where it seems the other person didn't even have the basic decency to let anyone know.
To see Eve step up and produce something special was very humbling, I think it shows just how much people CAN do to show they care. And now Wystro has a lovely Eve creation to remind him just how much he means.
*huggles Wystro and Eve for being the lovely people they showed themselves to be*
To see Eve step up and produce something special was very humbling, I think it shows just how much people CAN do to show they care. And now Wystro has a lovely Eve creation to remind him just how much he means.
*huggles Wystro and Eve for being the lovely people they showed themselves to be*
ROzbeans
19 years ago
Ok, this is what I had said to him:
I can't even begin to figure out wth this guy is smoking. Honestly I didn't know him at all on DA and if he's a friend of someone's - well, his actions and subsequent reply are uncalled for. Like I got a kick out of saying something to him? Like I enjoyed asking him just to reply and let me know ahead of time? Its called common courtesy and his response shows no class.
/sigh, drama over for me. I'm done with this and him. He's banned.
thisstuffinside
OK, first off how can you burn me when you know nothing about my situation? True I read your note about it, and It was coincidental that i did beacuse I have not been around very much at all recently. I am sorry that I did not write to you and say that I could not get it done in time, For what it is worth I have been working on the character for this extremely improtant exchange of yours. Perhaps you have never had a crisis in your personal life, i.e the real world un connected with this petty shit here on dA. I did not finish the picture, so fucking shoot me.
I do not appreciate you sending me malicious spam, which is what it is. I am sure life will go on without my contribution, I hold the reasons why I have no time recently much higher over the cause which seems to have such great meaning to you. What does it matter anyway? 95% of the stuff created with poser and the like is complete crap, the same stuff used over and over in a vain attempt to create art, when all we are doing is dressing up preverbial barbies and calling ourselves digital artists. I class myself in this group.
As for any respect you had for me, i do not see how you can formulate an opinion of me that would indicate that i am trustworthy? Not that I care, I am more interested in having respect from people who will help me in times of need and not add another source of discontent. I will appologise to Wystro as I do feel a certain amount of regret for not designing a picture when one was done for me. But as for the public flogging? You need to get your head out of the clouds and join the real world.
(links his journal) <--- proof of life outside dA
do not note we with anymore of your crap please.
Ok, this is what I had said to him:
roz
I see you read my note about the exchange and that you're still active here on DA. It was very rude of yout o sign up for something and not turn in your half of the exchange, when you could'vej ust noted or emailed me ahead of time and said you would not be able to complete it. I had to trouble a friend to quicky make something for the person you left empty handed. It looks like now that you're avoiding the issue totally and my initial respect for you is now gone.
Even if you had the nerve to reply or ask to sign up for another exchange, you are officially banned from doing any future exchanges on TAC. I'm really surprised by this type of behavior from a fellow 3D'er, much less a deviant member. I find it ironic that you quickly did somthing for yourself, but couldn't even be bothered to reply to my messages. I think you owe Wystro an apology, Eve (designsbyeve) an apology and the board an apology for ignoring the exchange and being the only person NOT to turn in something or least notify me that you would be not able to finish.
Good day.
I can't even begin to figure out wth this guy is smoking. Honestly I didn't know him at all on DA and if he's a friend of someone's - well, his actions and subsequent reply are uncalled for. Like I got a kick out of saying something to him? Like I enjoyed asking him just to reply and let me know ahead of time? Its called common courtesy and his response shows no class.
/sigh, drama over for me. I'm done with this and him. He's banned.
Adiene
19 years ago
Dude!... he was posting on DA , turned in a piece for the DAZ galleries and read mails.. it takes more time to do those then to fucking type "I cant finish my trade in time I had real life crisis come up I'm sorry"... WTFever!
People have no common curtesy at all now days, how very sad....
People have no common curtesy at all now days, how very sad....
FyreGarnett
19 years ago
ya know - I got "spammed" by Roz - a PM at SA, an IM on MSN (i think - coulda been YIM, but does it matter?) and an email I think. I know there were 3 - and the first thing I did was slap myself upside the head for forgetting the date. I've been quiet on the boards lately because of 2 things - both personal. My computer is wigging out and my mother is here for her annual 2 week vacation - which I have used to intro her to EQ2 (which she has fallen in love with btw - so if you see Wyntyr on the Befallen server, give her a holler!) Not to mention that Saturday was Renn Faire, and I'm sorry, but that so takes precidence over my computer any day of the year!!! (who can blame me when we get to oogle guys in some VERY nifty and revealing garb???)
Anyways - I did not feel "spammed". I appreciated the reminder that I had COMMITED to something and immediatly dropped her a note to explain what was happening. Then spent the rest of my morning making sure that Sangre would not be left out of this. My computer fought me every step of the way, but I FINALLY managed to get the darn things uploaded, get posted and thank Trakhina in the process. then spent some more time fighting my computer to use the stuff Trakhina had made for me - that she worked so hard at - so that it could be shown off as it should have been. it was a long day, all things considered.
That Eve stepped up to fill the void was tremendous. I would love to have something that she made personally for me - her art (and I don't care what anybody says - these are a heck of a lot more than glorified barbie dolls) is incredible and I have her and a few others here linked from my site because they offer inspiration to someone who can't draw a straight line with a ruler.
This could have been avoided with a simple apology - an "oh crap - I totally spaced, forgive me" would have sufficed, I think. The stance taken was rude, Roz. I'm sorry you had to deal with that.
Anyways - I did not feel "spammed". I appreciated the reminder that I had COMMITED to something and immediatly dropped her a note to explain what was happening. Then spent the rest of my morning making sure that Sangre would not be left out of this. My computer fought me every step of the way, but I FINALLY managed to get the darn things uploaded, get posted and thank Trakhina in the process. then spent some more time fighting my computer to use the stuff Trakhina had made for me - that she worked so hard at - so that it could be shown off as it should have been. it was a long day, all things considered.
That Eve stepped up to fill the void was tremendous. I would love to have something that she made personally for me - her art (and I don't care what anybody says - these are a heck of a lot more than glorified barbie dolls) is incredible and I have her and a few others here linked from my site because they offer inspiration to someone who can't draw a straight line with a ruler.
This could have been avoided with a simple apology - an "oh crap - I totally spaced, forgive me" would have sufficed, I think. The stance taken was rude, Roz. I'm sorry you had to deal with that.
Sangre
19 years ago
Wow. I just read his reply to you and it seems so over-the-top. It's all that 'feel sorry for me' kind of nonsense that could have been solved by a simple e-mail to let you know - hell, let anyone know that he had (has) issues and wasn't going to make it on time.
I am really unimpressed with him, his work ethic, his artistic approach to things. Aside from being a brat - he seems really hateful. If I had done something like this - I would be horrified. I certainly wouldn't have gone on the attack!
BTW FyreGarnett - when I read all that you went through to get me my trade it made me love it even more :<3
I am really unimpressed with him, his work ethic, his artistic approach to things. Aside from being a brat - he seems really hateful. If I had done something like this - I would be horrified. I certainly wouldn't have gone on the attack!
BTW FyreGarnett - when I read all that you went through to get me my trade it made me love it even more :<3
ROzbeans
19 years ago
I hope I wasn't rude at all, Fyre. I honestly didn't know how to get a hold of you so I tried every which way =x I certainly wasn't hassling you, I know you a helluva lot more than whatshisface and I'm just glad everything is ok. I even assumed there might be something going on with the jerk's life, but when I saw he read my notes but didn't respond, I thought that was pretty shitty =/
I'm at least glad everyone enjoyed it and all are happy =D It was faboo and I'm looking foward to seeing everyone's halloween pics if they have time to do it =D
:ghug
I'm at least glad everyone enjoyed it and all are happy =D It was faboo and I'm looking foward to seeing everyone's halloween pics if they have time to do it =D
:ghug
FyreGarnett
19 years ago
Gosh no, Roz, you weren't rude!!! You were just... Roz. A freindly reminder with that vague sense of impending doom....
just kidding!
I apprectiated the reminder and completely understand why you used multiple methods - it definetly increased the chances I'd see them in time! Thanks for that and I also can't wait to do the Halloween thing - Fiona is already glaring at me for browsing over at Baron's! She's not thrilled with the idea of that much latex for some reason....
just kidding!
I apprectiated the reminder and completely understand why you used multiple methods - it definetly increased the chances I'd see them in time! Thanks for that and I also can't wait to do the Halloween thing - Fiona is already glaring at me for browsing over at Baron's! She's not thrilled with the idea of that much latex for some reason....
Onimi
19 years ago
tell adiene to freaking teach me how to do nice artsy stuff like you guys so i can join exchanges too!!! i wont leave no one hanging!!! lol
RainfeatherPearl
19 years ago
i have read this thread last night and decided to sleep it off or i'd definitely go indeginous on this dude. to call 3d/poser users and their work crap is plain rude and adding himself as one doesn't say much about his character. yes indeed, life went on without his end of the bargain fulfilled, and might i add we are much wiser and will have to watch out for people like him. i have one point to make, if one doesn't have the courtesy to inform anyone about his not making the due date, it doesn't say much for his future clients - assuming of course he does commissions. i would certainly not want to be working with anyone having such a horrid ethics. by submitting your entry to the exchange means you agreed to be a part of the exchange and as per exchange "common sense" agreement (for reference see the dictionary for the meaning of the word "exchange")you will need to make an artwork for the person that is assigned to you. it is simple and does not need a contract nor does it take a lot of brain to understand that. at the end of the art EXCHANGE you get to EXCHANGE artwork with the group you joined.
in a perfect world scenario:
john doe receives a note informing him of a deadline he has to make....he reads it, clicks "reply", types in 5 words - "sorry i will be late" hits send.....done. how bloody hard was that?!
hey he could have even said "sorry but don't want to be in it anymore" then we could have done something about it earlier rather than have to scurry about so one doesn't come empty handed. he CHOSE to ignore the message and has the gallstones to get mad that you and the rest of the exchange group weren't happy about it? well now that is rich!
in a perfect world scenario:
john doe receives a note informing him of a deadline he has to make....he reads it, clicks "reply", types in 5 words - "sorry i will be late" hits send.....done. how bloody hard was that?!
hey he could have even said "sorry but don't want to be in it anymore" then we could have done something about it earlier rather than have to scurry about so one doesn't come empty handed. he CHOSE to ignore the message and has the gallstones to get mad that you and the rest of the exchange group weren't happy about it? well now that is rich!
Eve
19 years ago
Oh not gallstones, Rain, kidney stones, but that's a whole nother story. Oh what the hell, let's share shall we?
Told you to quit being so abusive Roz, you're scaring the assclowns of the world! This is from his DA journal btw. Someone kindly pointed out to me that he had two journal entries for the same day and that I may want to have a look, so I did. This guy is just such a tool. I can understand the whole health issues causing a problem. What I can't understand was his ability to remain somewhat active on da, yet inability to drop a simple response to Roz letting her know he was having said problems. It's not like he had to explain in detail, a quick "I'm having health (or even just personal) issues that just crept up on me. Please remove me from the exchange." Woah, that took me like 10 seconds to type.
Anywho, I'm done beating the dead horse now I think. My frustration with the stupid people of the world has been vented for another day ;)
Hey guys
I have been away for some time now, I thought i should write this to explain seeing as i have recieved numerous notes asking where i am. I am sorry that in the most part i have not replied to these. Before I went to toronto earlier this year I had a bad case of kindney stones, this continued and my health has got alot worse over the last few months. After tests I have been told that one of my kidneys has almost completely shut down. Because of large amounts of stones etc. I have been having alot of treatment to remove the stones from both kidneys so hopefully things should start to get better. I do not know what is going to happen to the kidney that has lost so much function, they have not said anything about that yet.
So that really put the mockers on alot of things, I have had to quit work, cancel my holiday which i was supposed to be going on next month, and with christmas coming up, not having any money coming in does not help.
Apart from that... lol. Things are ok. For any of you who are familiar with chefs, I had a drink with micheal caines today(non alcoholic of course) my sister knows him from when she used to work in one of his hotels.
Thank you all for your interest in my absense. All but one of them was great to read. The other was a bit crap to be honest. But i guess nearly everyone reading this has had experiences with people who have got their head lodged up their own arse. So if you are reading this just remember life goes on outside of dA. Bear that in mind next time you want to spam someone with abusive notes.
Take care all, I doubt i will be making any pictures for a while. I am not really up to much at the moment, and what with a nasty experience on cg society i will be giving this hobby a rest for the time being. Hope to speak to you soon.
Ryan
P.s i will write another journal after this cos i do not want this one on my front page.
Told you to quit being so abusive Roz, you're scaring the assclowns of the world! This is from his DA journal btw. Someone kindly pointed out to me that he had two journal entries for the same day and that I may want to have a look, so I did. This guy is just such a tool. I can understand the whole health issues causing a problem. What I can't understand was his ability to remain somewhat active on da, yet inability to drop a simple response to Roz letting her know he was having said problems. It's not like he had to explain in detail, a quick "I'm having health (or even just personal) issues that just crept up on me. Please remove me from the exchange." Woah, that took me like 10 seconds to type.
Anywho, I'm done beating the dead horse now I think. My frustration with the stupid people of the world has been vented for another day ;)
RainfeatherPearl
19 years ago
kidney stones!!! damn it, i was close!
ROzbeans
19 years ago
Yeah 2 notes is abusive, that fucker. Here's exactly what i said in the first note.
**********
'Don't forget!'
The Beam Me Up Exchange thread is open (link) The person who had you posted their piece as well. If you think you'll be late (Sunday AM) then please let me know! =D
*********
That was sent Oct 7th 5:32pm. GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK. Yeah that's harassing. Fucking smiley faces and all. Oct 10th, that's right, THREE DAYS LATER, I sent the second one above. Fucking whiner.
**********
'Don't forget!'
The Beam Me Up Exchange thread is open (link) The person who had you posted their piece as well. If you think you'll be late (Sunday AM) then please let me know! =D
*********
That was sent Oct 7th 5:32pm. GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK. Yeah that's harassing. Fucking smiley faces and all. Oct 10th, that's right, THREE DAYS LATER, I sent the second one above. Fucking whiner.
Wystro
19 years ago
Thank you everyone and a special thanks to Eve and ROz. I feel very at-home with this community in every respect.
I'm purely a freehand artist -- I give a great amount of time and effort to my pieces, and I'm proud of what I do. Doing a piece in an environment with a majority of accomplished 3D renderers brought a different focus to my process.
I knew I would present my work to people who had an eye for detail, texture, composition, and finish. My style tends to be looser, but I knew that I'd have to do my research and get references for what the figures wore. Even if I modified them, they would have to make some sort of sense because 3D lives and dies on the careful selection and interplay of elements.
I had to pick some lighting too! I had to actually decide on two sources of light and make it work. 3D renderers communicate by light and the quality (warmth, coolness, intensity) of their light first and foremost.
I'm in the stone age as far as presentation is concerned. I aspire to the polish and focus that comes a standard amenity with the pieces found here.
I got something different from my work -- something new. I hope to continue to grow from my participation in the TAC community.
I'm purely a freehand artist -- I give a great amount of time and effort to my pieces, and I'm proud of what I do. Doing a piece in an environment with a majority of accomplished 3D renderers brought a different focus to my process.
I knew I would present my work to people who had an eye for detail, texture, composition, and finish. My style tends to be looser, but I knew that I'd have to do my research and get references for what the figures wore. Even if I modified them, they would have to make some sort of sense because 3D lives and dies on the careful selection and interplay of elements.
I had to pick some lighting too! I had to actually decide on two sources of light and make it work. 3D renderers communicate by light and the quality (warmth, coolness, intensity) of their light first and foremost.
I'm in the stone age as far as presentation is concerned. I aspire to the polish and focus that comes a standard amenity with the pieces found here.
I got something different from my work -- something new. I hope to continue to grow from my participation in the TAC community.
tamaelia
19 years ago
*huggles Wystro* Anyone who looks at your gorgeous drawings and isn't moved must be stone motherless dead inside. Your pictures are mesmerizing hun. Don't ever feel they are anything less!
Rikr
19 years ago
Wow, I'm sorry you guys had to deal with this. I kinda stopped doing exchanges, because I never know if I can get them done in time....pretty busy lately. Exchanges are special in the sense you get to see diffrent intrepretations of how they see your character. They are a learning experience and above all fun. Anyhoo, I'll leave it at that. I like spam too. :)
Starry
19 years ago
Bleh shouldnt have bothered even drawing that stinky thing I did.
I knew he wouldnt show up. =p
I knew he wouldnt show up. =p
Den
19 years ago
I think everyone deserves kudos...those of you who can get that f*cking poser program to work constantly amaze me, and those of you who draw free hand have incredible talent. I didn't see one piece that I wouldn't consider damn good art, in one form or another.
Trakhina
19 years ago
The journal/post entries really saddened me. For a 3D artist to say those things about other artists work and call it crap was unnecessary. The common sense factor missed the mark on this one. It's not hard to say "my art will be late" or "I can't keep the commitment", something so other arrangements can be made. Instead, let's call people's art crap and expect to be respected and forgiven. Puh-lease.
ROzbeans
19 years ago
The more I think about this, the more I'm annoyed. Not by that ass not turning in anything, but just in general. I was talking with someone else about exchanges and we're damn near decided never to do them again. I'll do TAC, we know the people here now and I'm wary about inviting people to do them unless someone else vouches for them, but on other boards - no. I don't think so.
Why do people sign up for these things? I mean, I signed up for the howl on smmo but i backed out before sign ups were closed because I had too much stuff going on. I KNOW my schedule. The same people have 'computer issues' and some of you know who I'm talking about and yet they're still allowed to sign up and turn in late. WTF, how is 5-6 weeks not long enough?
Grr. I'm angry.
Why do people sign up for these things? I mean, I signed up for the howl on smmo but i backed out before sign ups were closed because I had too much stuff going on. I KNOW my schedule. The same people have 'computer issues' and some of you know who I'm talking about and yet they're still allowed to sign up and turn in late. WTF, how is 5-6 weeks not long enough?
Grr. I'm angry.