Dressing for...?
Okay - I've been having a discussion about dressing, and appearances on another forum comprised of mostly men, and feel like I've been through the ringer. I'm coming over here to play now! lol
Question?
Do you think it's possible to dress, without any hidden agenda for how you dress?
Background: A woman in Germany was told to get off a bus, when the bus driver saw she was wearing a low cut top, and showing - in his opinion - too much cleavage. He said it was too distracting, and therefore she had to get off the bus.
Several people then responded by saying she got what she deserved, and if she didn't want to be noticed, she would have dressed differently.
My opinion is sure...if you are a woman with any kind of shape at all, and dress in a way that accentuates or reveals any part of your body, you need to accept looks. (I think we even discussed that somewhere previously). However, I do not think it was appropriate for her to be told to get off the bus, nor do I think just because of the way a woman dresses, she relinquishes her rights, and must subject herself to leers, taunts, gropes, bumps, or any kind of molestations.
Is that kind of thinking really that far fetched? Am I the only one who feels like that?
Lessa
17 years ago
No, I agree with you Den, I could understand glances and even stares.. but people should be responsible for themselves, rather th an blaming their actions on someone else.
Adiene
17 years ago
Wait ... wtf this is in Germany? ROFL! Their public pools are topless .....LMAO
No I agree with you.
However if she were flashing folk and all that , then yeah thats completely different.
Its one thing to dress sexy, and another to dress like a complete whore. If she were dressed like a whore I can see the reasoning. But if I assume correctly she were not ... whats the deal? o.o
No I agree with you.
However if she were flashing folk and all that , then yeah thats completely different.
Its one thing to dress sexy, and another to dress like a complete whore. If she were dressed like a whore I can see the reasoning. But if I assume correctly she were not ... whats the deal? o.o
patslash
17 years ago
agree with the above sentences
Jinheim
17 years ago
If you have nice tits and show them off, be prepared for men to look at you constantly and treat you differently (for better or worse). Showing cleavage attracts attention - every woman over the age of 12 knows this.
That said, I don't see why showing some cleavage would warrant being thrown off of a public bus. I'm sure there is more to the story than just that.
That said, I don't see why showing some cleavage would warrant being thrown off of a public bus. I'm sure there is more to the story than just that.
FyreGarnett
17 years ago
we had a woman arrested a few months back for eating animal crackers on a public bus in houston.... *still baffled*
there is no easy answer to this one - the easiest one though, is that as long as no one is breaking the law, people should be able to wear what they want. that said - i was reading an article about dressing for success or somesuch and the lady writing the article was talking about this woman who had had alot of complaints made about her attire - revealing tops, short mini skirts, super high heels, overdone makeup etc... when she was called into the HR and asked to tone it down and be more business like (this was a law firm or something) she just said that everyone was jealous so why should she change her style? i guess my point, is that there is a time and a place for certain attire - if you choose to step outside that, be prepared to face the music. still doesn't give anyone the right to do more than look and (hopefully!) admire! (there are some people that just should not wear the stuff EVER!!!)
there is no easy answer to this one - the easiest one though, is that as long as no one is breaking the law, people should be able to wear what they want. that said - i was reading an article about dressing for success or somesuch and the lady writing the article was talking about this woman who had had alot of complaints made about her attire - revealing tops, short mini skirts, super high heels, overdone makeup etc... when she was called into the HR and asked to tone it down and be more business like (this was a law firm or something) she just said that everyone was jealous so why should she change her style? i guess my point, is that there is a time and a place for certain attire - if you choose to step outside that, be prepared to face the music. still doesn't give anyone the right to do more than look and (hopefully!) admire! (there are some people that just should not wear the stuff EVER!!!)
Sarah
17 years ago
Women have had this battle ever since we started covering the damn things up. Men like boobies, they like to look at them and they love those little peeks of them when we wear a shirt that shows cleavage.
However, unless she was sitting in the seat behind the driver and rubbing her boobs against the back of his head, then Mr. Bus driver needs to learn how to keep his eyes on the road.
Some women don't know how to show their girls off tastefully and so they spend a great deal of time being ogled and verbally and/or physically molested in some way. A woman should be able to wear what she wants to wear how she wants to wear it, with out such terrible insult, but that is not the society we live in.
Personally I don't even have cleavage in a corset designed to give you lots, so I don't have this problem, and there for much room to talk.
*shrug* I like Jinheim would like to hear the entire story.
However, unless she was sitting in the seat behind the driver and rubbing her boobs against the back of his head, then Mr. Bus driver needs to learn how to keep his eyes on the road.
Some women don't know how to show their girls off tastefully and so they spend a great deal of time being ogled and verbally and/or physically molested in some way. A woman should be able to wear what she wants to wear how she wants to wear it, with out such terrible insult, but that is not the society we live in.
Personally I don't even have cleavage in a corset designed to give you lots, so I don't have this problem, and there for much room to talk.
*shrug* I like Jinheim would like to hear the entire story.
Den
17 years ago
Sorry - I should have posted the link for the article earlier:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070716/od_nm/germany_sexy_dc;_ylt=AghCXky.yKNHZmOXMS9Ixi3MWM0F
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070716/od_nm/germany_sexy_dc;_ylt=AghCXky.yKNHZmOXMS9Ixi3MWM0F
BERLIN (Reuters) - A German bus driver threatened to throw a 20-year-old sales clerk off his bus in the southern town of Lindau because he said she was too sexy, a newspaper reported Monday.
"Suddenly he stopped the bus," the woman named Debora C. told Bild newspaper. "He opened the door and shouted at me 'Your cleavage is distracting me every time I look into my mirror and I can't concentrate on the traffic. If you don't sit somewhere else, I'm going to have to throw you off the bus.'"
The woman, pictured in Bild wearing her snug-fitting summer clothes with the plunging neckline, said she moved to another seat but was humiliated by the bus driver.
A spokesman for the bus company defended the driver.
"The bus driver is allowed to do that and he did the right thing," the spokesman said. "A bus driver cannot be distracted because it's a danger to the safety of all the passengers."
Mileron
17 years ago
An interesting comment on the message board Den's referring to went something like:
"The guy probably propisitioned her or something and got turned down so he flipped and kicked her off."
Which isn't that far fetched either.
"The guy probably propisitioned her or something and got turned down so he flipped and kicked her off."
Which isn't that far fetched either.
ROzbeans
17 years ago
I don't see how this is a surprise. People should be responsible for themselves, but apparently if you have a penis, we as women are subjected to their inability to fucking simmah down and not get a boner. Men basically admit to being Neanderthals - and that's suppose to be ok.
Oh, funny story - I was having lunch with Mike last week and we were discussing our different managing skills. I noticed while I was trying to explain my side that he was constantly looking at my breasts. So finally I snapped.
'Will you knock it off!'
'What what?' He looks back up at me.
'Are you staring at my boobs while I'm siting here trying to have a professional conversation with you?'
'Uh...well.' Mike blushes.
'Asshole!'
I don't know why it was a surprise actually. All men are pigs.
Oh, funny story - I was having lunch with Mike last week and we were discussing our different managing skills. I noticed while I was trying to explain my side that he was constantly looking at my breasts. So finally I snapped.
'Will you knock it off!'
'What what?' He looks back up at me.
'Are you staring at my boobs while I'm siting here trying to have a professional conversation with you?'
'Uh...well.' Mike blushes.
'Asshole!'
I don't know why it was a surprise actually. All men are pigs.
Den
17 years ago
LOL -- that is also a topic of conversation on the board Mil mentioned...and quite a few guys readily agree and accept responsibility for their porcine attitudes...not that this really helps anything :P
ROzbeans;83323
I don't know why it was a surprise actually. All men are pigs.
LOL -- that is also a topic of conversation on the board Mil mentioned...and quite a few guys readily agree and accept responsibility for their porcine attitudes...not that this really helps anything :P
ROzbeans
17 years ago
Men on the internet can be as callous and pig headed as they want - but I doubt seriously they'd be that way to your face. I would not hesitate to knock a fucker out if a man is blatantly rude to me or my boobies, but then I don't let them hang out - sizable and spectacular though they are (i'm not vain, really).
Den
17 years ago
LOL - ROz, you're so funny.
Vishanti
17 years ago
My ex had F cups. Her best friend was almost as large. They were both naturally well-endowed, and neither had a weight problem. I just got used to having large mammaries pressed up against me all the time (hugs 4tw), so they aren't a big deal to me anymore. Do I still appreciate a nice rack? Of course I do, I'm a straight male. It just takes an ungodly spectactular set to distract me.
I did talk to someone's breasts during dinner a few weeks ago, but I never do that so she knew I was doing it intentionally to give her shit. Hers would definitely qualify for distraction material, though.
I did talk to someone's breasts during dinner a few weeks ago, but I never do that so she knew I was doing it intentionally to give her shit. Hers would definitely qualify for distraction material, though.
Den
17 years ago
One can only wonder how your recent dinner date was able to stay upright, if her boobs were 'ungodly' larger than your ex's F cups.
Mileron
17 years ago
Roz = sizable and spectacular
Vishanti = distraction material
Pics please.
(okay I've used up my one allotment of being a pig for the month.)
Vishanti = distraction material
Pics please.
(okay I've used up my one allotment of being a pig for the month.)
Vishanti
17 years ago
Nah, the girl I went to dinner with didn't have anything as large as my ex's. She just has a really nice pair. Being excessively large isn't a requirement for "ungodly spectacular." We met up later at a bar with some other people, and she wore a low cut dress. I almost fell in.
Sorry, Mileron. She's camera shy. I can stare all I want, but she gets mad if I pull out a camera.
Sorry, Mileron. She's camera shy. I can stare all I want, but she gets mad if I pull out a camera.
ROzbeans
17 years ago
You should know better, Mike.
Mileron;83344
Roz = sizable and spectacular
Vishanti = distraction material
Pics please.
(okay I've used up my one allotment of being a pig for the month.)
You should know better, Mike.
Mileron
17 years ago
I do, and I do apologize.
ROzbeans;83350
You should know better, Mike.
I do, and I do apologize.
patslash
17 years ago
blah.
if i may add, bild is such a shit newspaper, like scandalous ones. it would be a deal to find out if the story is true or not!
if i may add, bild is such a shit newspaper, like scandalous ones. it would be a deal to find out if the story is true or not!
Calimaryn
17 years ago
This story doesnt have pics of the 'offending outfit' so it makes me wonder just what was she wearing? Pasties and fishnet? Button shirt tied under her boobs w/ no buttons done? Corset of Doom?!
As a passenger I would rather the driver unload one passenger than kill us all getting in an accident because they are distracted. Gender has no baring as if it had been reversed I would also feel the same way.
IF the woman was tastefully dressed and she got booted because the driver is a pig, well then that is bad. Its a fine line to walk. You can show off but you cant be a public menace!
As a passenger I would rather the driver unload one passenger than kill us all getting in an accident because they are distracted. Gender has no baring as if it had been reversed I would also feel the same way.
IF the woman was tastefully dressed and she got booted because the driver is a pig, well then that is bad. Its a fine line to walk. You can show off but you cant be a public menace!