wow it took me a minute to figure out what "f-bomb" was.
fucking stupid bitches.
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Vex
18 years ago
Verileah
18 years ago
What's odd to me is that even as our television gets more and more lax with regard to swearing, our schools and children's communities seem to be getting more and more sensitive. I used to swear all the time when I was my daughter's age - nothing major in front of adults, but I'd say 'piss', 'crap', 'hell', etc in front of my parents all the time. Nowadays 'stupid' is considered a bad word among kids...my daughter was appalled when I said 'moron'.
Sarah
18 years ago
I always feel a bit like Bart Simpson, when it comes to the swearing. "Yeah! Hell, damn, fart!"
Den
18 years ago
My daughter...my 'adult' daughter, still sighs when I say 'fuck' :P
Of course when she was growing up, I never said more than damnit or hell...I NEVER said fuck in front of her until she was grown.
Of course when she was growing up, I never said more than damnit or hell...I NEVER said fuck in front of her until she was grown.
Laschae
18 years ago
I say fuck alot. I do it in front of my kids. Maybe I'm irresponsible but as long as my kids aren't on drugs or pregnant at 12 they can say fuck all they want. It's just a word. And it's a good word. :cross
ROzbeans
18 years ago
I don't know, for us there are key words we never say to Catherine and try not to say around her.
Stupid ('why did you do that? that was stupid.)
Dumb (as in you're dumb)
Catherine will scold us if she hears F Bombs but we're pretty nonchalant about the word shit, unless uttered about 15 times in a sentence like I did the other night and Veb finally nudged me to stop. I am constantly surprised at what I hear on tv, especially shows like 'The Shield'. They're just words, yeah but at Catherine's age - well I want to shelter her just a little bit longer hehe.
I almost never curse in front of my mother, at least I don't drop F Bombs, if I do I apologize and reword what I just said. She's still my mom, you know?
Stupid ('why did you do that? that was stupid.)
Dumb (as in you're dumb)
Catherine will scold us if she hears F Bombs but we're pretty nonchalant about the word shit, unless uttered about 15 times in a sentence like I did the other night and Veb finally nudged me to stop. I am constantly surprised at what I hear on tv, especially shows like 'The Shield'. They're just words, yeah but at Catherine's age - well I want to shelter her just a little bit longer hehe.
I almost never curse in front of my mother, at least I don't drop F Bombs, if I do I apologize and reword what I just said. She's still my mom, you know?
Laschae
18 years ago
Yea I still don't feel ok with saying bad words in front of my mom.
There are several movie that I would never consider letting my kids watch. Things with extreme violence, racists remarks, things that I suppose offend me. CeCe said "Levi-corpiss" the other day and Kami had to come tattle that CeCe said a bad word. It was kind of cute. I told her if she was going to say piss at least use it correctly.
There are several movie that I would never consider letting my kids watch. Things with extreme violence, racists remarks, things that I suppose offend me. CeCe said "Levi-corpiss" the other day and Kami had to come tattle that CeCe said a bad word. It was kind of cute. I told her if she was going to say piss at least use it correctly.
Jinheim
18 years ago
Everyone swears. Kids don't swear around parents, but they do swear around their friends. Parents don't swear around their kids, but they do swear around other adults. When the kids grow up, everyone swears freely around each other. Trying to keep kids from swearing is completely futile, and also rather pointless - they will learn the words, and they will use them when you are not around and when they grow up. Profanity is, on its own, completely harmless. Only when it is used in a negative context is it bad.
"Goddamn, that fucking hurt" when you injure yourself is harmless.
"Fuck you, you pillow-biting faggot" is harmful, but it is not the profanity that makes it harmful: it is the intent.
Instead of trying to teach kids not to swear, kids should be taught not to swear at each other in anger. Having the FCC try to legislate morality is a complete waste of time and money. Keeping the words off of television will probably have the opposite of the intended effect. Kids use swear words because they're naughty and taboo, which makes it fun. If it's shocking and edgy to say "fuck", then kids will be more prone to say it. If it's not a big deal, then it is less likely to be used just for the sake of using it.
"Goddamn, that fucking hurt" when you injure yourself is harmless.
"Fuck you, you pillow-biting faggot" is harmful, but it is not the profanity that makes it harmful: it is the intent.
Instead of trying to teach kids not to swear, kids should be taught not to swear at each other in anger. Having the FCC try to legislate morality is a complete waste of time and money. Keeping the words off of television will probably have the opposite of the intended effect. Kids use swear words because they're naughty and taboo, which makes it fun. If it's shocking and edgy to say "fuck", then kids will be more prone to say it. If it's not a big deal, then it is less likely to be used just for the sake of using it.
Den
18 years ago
Your statement that 'everyone' swears is bullshit. I know a LOT of people who don't swear around anyone. Not to mention, I didn't swear myself until I was nearly 20. Throughout high school I had friends who swore, some a lot, an some a little...and friends who never swore around me or anyone else, to my knowledge.
I taught my daughter not to swear, because its easier to teach then not to, as opposed to teaching them when it may be appropriate. Of course the older she got, the less strict I became. She would test me with some words, and some I wouldn't react to (hell, crap, damn), and then there were some she never even tried, knowing I'd get pissed (shit, fuck, son of a bitch, etc.)
Even now, as old as we all are, we rarely find the need to say some words. Though while in the car alone, I will often let loose with a string of obscenities, if I come into contact with a moronic driver, or pedestrian.
Also, having lived long enough to actually see the changes in both tv and movies, with reference to language, I'm a firm believer that the more you hear words in the media, the more you hear them in public. As far as I'm concerned, they're just words, and I'm not overly concerned really, in the long run, but don't tell me EVERYONE uses them, and that's what makes it okay, or why we can never change those patterns.
Jinheim;83701
Everyone swears. Kids don't swear around parents, but they do swear around their friends. Parents don't swear around their kids, but they do swear around other adults. When the kids grow up, everyone swears freely around each other. Trying to keep kids from swearing is completely futile, and also rather pointless - they will learn the words, and they will use them when you are not around and when they grow up. Profanity is, on its own, completely harmless. Only when it is used in a negative context is it bad.
"Goddamn, that fucking hurt" when you injure yourself is harmless.
"Fuck you, you pillow-biting faggot" is harmful, but it is not the profanity that makes it harmful: it is the intent.
Instead of trying to teach kids not to swear, kids should be taught not to swear at each other in anger. Having the FCC try to legislate morality is a complete waste of time and money. Keeping the words off of television will probably have the opposite of the intended effect. Kids use swear words because they're naughty and taboo, which makes it fun. If it's shocking and edgy to say "fuck", then kids will be more prone to say it. If it's not a big deal, then it is less likely to be used just for the sake of using it.
Your statement that 'everyone' swears is bullshit. I know a LOT of people who don't swear around anyone. Not to mention, I didn't swear myself until I was nearly 20. Throughout high school I had friends who swore, some a lot, an some a little...and friends who never swore around me or anyone else, to my knowledge.
I taught my daughter not to swear, because its easier to teach then not to, as opposed to teaching them when it may be appropriate. Of course the older she got, the less strict I became. She would test me with some words, and some I wouldn't react to (hell, crap, damn), and then there were some she never even tried, knowing I'd get pissed (shit, fuck, son of a bitch, etc.)
Even now, as old as we all are, we rarely find the need to say some words. Though while in the car alone, I will often let loose with a string of obscenities, if I come into contact with a moronic driver, or pedestrian.
Also, having lived long enough to actually see the changes in both tv and movies, with reference to language, I'm a firm believer that the more you hear words in the media, the more you hear them in public. As far as I'm concerned, they're just words, and I'm not overly concerned really, in the long run, but don't tell me EVERYONE uses them, and that's what makes it okay, or why we can never change those patterns.
ROzbeans
18 years ago
I'm sorry but the irony of that just made me bust out laughing. :teehee Also I think you took what Jinheim said a little literal (and a bit on a defensive too). Jin's right - maybe not a 'blanket' statement like 'everyone' but cursing is pretty casual. Kids will do what they are told not to do - and odds are your daughter cursed outside of earshot when she was younger, Den.
Do I think that an educated person can find a better way to articulate themselves? Sure.
Your statement that 'everyone' swears is bullshit.
Do I think that an educated person can find a better way to articulate themselves? Sure.
Den
18 years ago
Well I said it that way for exactly that purpose ;) I do swear, though again, only about 10% is said in the company of anyone else...and even that is usually written - IM, etc.
Yes, I did take what he said literally, though I'm sorry if it sounded defensive. I feel very strongly about anyone saying 'EVERYONE' when making any kind of statement. I've had similar conversations about other topics, and get a bit impatient with that kind of attitude.
Yes, I know a lot of people cuss, and yes I know a lot of people say every cuss word in the book, and don't care who hears it. I think most of it has to do with how you were raised, and what you were subjected to, and I also believe it doesn't have to be that way. But as long as people say ... 'this is the way it is, and you can't do anything to change it', they're right. To change something you have to make an attempt. Sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn't. I happen to think this is something we shouldn't just give up on. I think speech is much nicer when it's devoid of all that shit. ;)
Yes, I did take what he said literally, though I'm sorry if it sounded defensive. I feel very strongly about anyone saying 'EVERYONE' when making any kind of statement. I've had similar conversations about other topics, and get a bit impatient with that kind of attitude.
Yes, I know a lot of people cuss, and yes I know a lot of people say every cuss word in the book, and don't care who hears it. I think most of it has to do with how you were raised, and what you were subjected to, and I also believe it doesn't have to be that way. But as long as people say ... 'this is the way it is, and you can't do anything to change it', they're right. To change something you have to make an attempt. Sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn't. I happen to think this is something we shouldn't just give up on. I think speech is much nicer when it's devoid of all that shit. ;)
Den
18 years ago
Oh - and as soon as I talk to my daughter, and get her side of the story I'll post it. But I would bet odds, since she's so much like I am, any cussing she did came when I began to look the other way, and then, as it is now, was pretty rare.
ROzbeans
18 years ago
I'll admit to be thoroughly disgusted by people who just conversationally curse LOUDLY in public, especially if I'm with Catherine. I'll ear muff her and then turn around and look at the people. I won't curse in front of people I don't know or in public if I"m going to be overheard. It's just tacky. =x
Jinheim
18 years ago
I never swore in front of my parents until I was in my 20's. Not a single time in my entire adolescence did I ever say a curse word in front of them. I didn't get to listen to music with explicit lyrics labels, I didn't get to see rated R movies until I was 17. I never heard my mom swear a single time, and I only heard my dad say "shit" twice. Once when his wallet got stolen, and once when I was 16 and put his car into a mailbox.
Despite all that, I know every english curse word, and most of the spanish ones. I don't use them excessively, and I don't use them for shock value, but I do use them whenever they seem applicable.
I guess maybe girls are different from guys, but guys don't learn whether or not to swear from their parents; they learn it from their friends. Unless your son leads the afterschool bible studies group, chances are pretty good that him and his friends are cussing up a storm. My parents might have been able to keep me from buying rap CD's and watching Pulp Fiction, but they couldn't stop me from going over to my friend's house to listen to Tupac and watch South Park.
I guess with some kids you might be able to pound it into their heads that swearing is wrong and you should never do it, but most people are going to realize that swearing is harmless as long as you aren't angrily directing it at someone. It's just such a versatile and potent part of the English language that it would be a shame to not use it :)
Despite all that, I know every english curse word, and most of the spanish ones. I don't use them excessively, and I don't use them for shock value, but I do use them whenever they seem applicable.
I guess maybe girls are different from guys, but guys don't learn whether or not to swear from their parents; they learn it from their friends. Unless your son leads the afterschool bible studies group, chances are pretty good that him and his friends are cussing up a storm. My parents might have been able to keep me from buying rap CD's and watching Pulp Fiction, but they couldn't stop me from going over to my friend's house to listen to Tupac and watch South Park.
I guess with some kids you might be able to pound it into their heads that swearing is wrong and you should never do it, but most people are going to realize that swearing is harmless as long as you aren't angrily directing it at someone. It's just such a versatile and potent part of the English language that it would be a shame to not use it :)
Lessa
18 years ago
I was the girl in our crowd in high school who, when someone heard me cuss, all my friends and the rest of the crowd would turn to stare at me in shock and disbelief.. not cause noone else swore.. but cause they had never heard me swear hehe. I just didnt care to do it, neither did i smoke cigarettes or pot,
Of course, im one of those people who, even then, looked years younger than I was.. people thought I had skipped a bunch of grades cause i was some genius.. truthfully i was just as dumb as the rest of em i just looked 12 at 16 :(
Of course, im one of those people who, even then, looked years younger than I was.. people thought I had skipped a bunch of grades cause i was some genius.. truthfully i was just as dumb as the rest of em i just looked 12 at 16 :(
Vishanti
18 years ago
F-bomb!
* Literally. Imagine a chicken somehow screeching a euphemism repeatedly in your face. It's a little surreal.
Jinheim;83734
Despite all that, I know every english curse word, and most of the spanish ones. I don't use them excessively, and I don't use them for shock value, but I do use them whenever they seem applicable.
ROzbeans;83720
There's a webcomic for everything. I actually know someone who'd pull this if he thought about it beforehand. Luckily he just squawks, "F-bomb!*" at people who object to his language.I'll admit to be thoroughly disgusted by people who just conversationally curse LOUDLY in public, especially if I'm with Catherine. I'll ear muff her and then turn around and look at the people. I won't curse in front of people I don't know or in public if I"m going to be overheard. It's just tacky. =x
* Literally. Imagine a chicken somehow screeching a euphemism repeatedly in your face. It's a little surreal.
Den
18 years ago
Well, apparently this is one time I was wrong about my daughter, but not terribly so. She just told me she did cuss away from home, but not until late in junior high, then high school.
She said the girls she was hanging around at the time cussed a lot, so she just sort of fell in. Once she got into college, away from her high school friends, and joined a sorority she says she cut down a lot, and ever since then never really has again much.
I was initially shocked when she told me, but then remembered the girls she hung around with back then, and it really made a lot of sense :P
She said the girls she was hanging around at the time cussed a lot, so she just sort of fell in. Once she got into college, away from her high school friends, and joined a sorority she says she cut down a lot, and ever since then never really has again much.
I was initially shocked when she told me, but then remembered the girls she hung around with back then, and it really made a lot of sense :P
Darsa
18 years ago
We (my siblings and I) would have rather cut of a piece of our anatomy than swear in front of our parents when we were growing up, even as teens. My friends used to try to get me to swear, but I wouldn't, just because I thought it would make me sound stupid. I'm not by any means saying people who swear are stupid, but boy, when I was a teenager my friends sure did! My parents very rarely swore in front of us, and to this day I appreciate the fact that they respected us and cared about what we heard so much that they would restrain themselves. We used to live in a house that had a vent in the upstairs floor (to let the heat up) and sometimes when our parents' friends were over to play cards we heard the words we never heard in the daytime.
On the other hand, my husband's family doesn't give a crap who they swear in front of or what their age is. It got to the point where I would have to be obnoxious about my objections to what was being said in front of my toddler (at the time) in order to make it clear that I did not approve. I still have to speak to my husband when he gets vulgar; Jen may be 11 but she still doesn't need to hear that junk.
So I guess, for me, it's more of a respect thing than anything else. I can swear with the best of them; I just choose when it's appropriate, which may be different than what other people think is appropriate. I only hope that the people we come in contact with can appreciate and respect that.
On the other hand, my husband's family doesn't give a crap who they swear in front of or what their age is. It got to the point where I would have to be obnoxious about my objections to what was being said in front of my toddler (at the time) in order to make it clear that I did not approve. I still have to speak to my husband when he gets vulgar; Jen may be 11 but she still doesn't need to hear that junk.
So I guess, for me, it's more of a respect thing than anything else. I can swear with the best of them; I just choose when it's appropriate, which may be different than what other people think is appropriate. I only hope that the people we come in contact with can appreciate and respect that.
Vishanti
18 years ago
Well, today that friend of mine got in trouble with our boss. He was griping to me about someone assigning a task to our team that wasn't even our responsibility because somebody "didn't ask one fucking question!
Our boss walked by just as he said that, and very loudly said, "Watch it! I'm serious. Some people don't want to hear that word." (Never mind that our boss had pretty much told us that our closed off area was our "safe place" to talk as we wanted if we needed to rant (read: bitch about and make rude comments in all sorts of colorful vernacular so as to get it out of our systems and avoid losing it in front of people in other areas) about the goings-on about us.)
So my friend sat there stunned for a second. As our boss walked away, my friend started mumbling to himself. "...one fucking query? ...one fucking inquiry? ...one fucking interrogation? ...one fucking request for more specific information? Hmm. Which one of those am I allowed to say?"
I walked away just in case my boss heard and thought it was me.
Our boss walked by just as he said that, and very loudly said, "Watch it! I'm serious. Some people don't want to hear that word." (Never mind that our boss had pretty much told us that our closed off area was our "safe place" to talk as we wanted if we needed to rant (read: bitch about and make rude comments in all sorts of colorful vernacular so as to get it out of our systems and avoid losing it in front of people in other areas) about the goings-on about us.)
So my friend sat there stunned for a second. As our boss walked away, my friend started mumbling to himself. "...one fucking query? ...one fucking inquiry? ...one fucking interrogation? ...one fucking request for more specific information? Hmm. Which one of those am I allowed to say?"
I walked away just in case my boss heard and thought it was me.
Calimaryn
18 years ago
At 12 I gave Angel permission to swear at my home. Why? Because I knew she was already swearing just when it slipped out accidentally. Though there are still rules. She has to use the word properly, cant spew curse words every other word and can't use derogatory or prejudice comments.
Funny story, when my niece was 2 we went out shopping. My grandmother, my mother, me and the baby. I forget where my sister was. But here we are in some restaurant having lunch when little Jessica with her beautiful blond curls and cute upturned nose sighs in her stroller and says "Oh shit." Nana looked shocked and guilty as she was the babysitter! hahah
Funny story, when my niece was 2 we went out shopping. My grandmother, my mother, me and the baby. I forget where my sister was. But here we are in some restaurant having lunch when little Jessica with her beautiful blond curls and cute upturned nose sighs in her stroller and says "Oh shit." Nana looked shocked and guilty as she was the babysitter! hahah