Mentality split

I think you're adorable because I keep having to move your posts to the proper sections.

I'm cautious about the possibility of my work being stolen, but I'd almost see it as a compliment that my work was worthy enough to steal. lol. I'm on deviantart.com but i dont get many hits at all. I'm there primarily for the inspiration. So I'd be the latter. Most definately. Veb and I used to go the Seattle Art Musem, not a lot but the times we did go, it was bored with it really. If I could go there now... :shock: I can't even look at a bill board without studying the layout. All graphic art interests me, especially how they did it.

Once vex was telling me that she could look at a sig and tell exactly how they did it. I always thought that was just mind boggling. I can look at one now and honestly know almost down to the filter. Yet I still find myself holding back on expanding past MMORPG's. Veb keeps asking me, 'when are you going to try something else?' I dont know. I really dont. Sometimes fear overwhelms the desire to learn.

hmmm

had a talk with the other half today about this sort of thing over dinner.

i'm working with him to get into photoshop and learn the ins and outs, so if needed, he can help me out, or perhaps even choose a career in it ( print design, or web design, whatever tickles his fancy )

at this day in age, there's nothing NEW. everything's already been done, whether you know it or not. its up to the new artists to improve on what's already been done. take it to the next level. so artists who try to copyright every idea they put on canvas, is just kidding themselves.

i havent ever had art blatantly stolen, but i've had someone say he made what i had made for him , i got him back at least : http://www.vexiphne.net/images/tanakin-magelo.jpg / http://www.vexiphne.net/images/tanakin-signature.jpg

I am the latter like most are. I know what I want to do, but find myself pulling from other sources. It's how I learn to become better.



I do this alot too. I make ad's for my company that are in nationally published trade magazines. It's different from making sigs....a little less fun, however I look at every ad that comes out and I try to figure out how they did something. It's weird. :)



Very nice Kat. :)



I think this quote is very true. The only thing new is the aproach one takes to get to the desired "effect" I think 99% of the artists borrow or use a technique they learned from someone else.

I think I am a completely unoriginal bastard and very much use other people's work for inspiration, but I don't copy outright. I might take an idea from here and another from there and then mix in some other ideas that I picked up somewhere but I really can't recal and mold it into what I want. The rest of the time I have this totally great idea and I just suck too much to actually do it.

As far as the debate though, I do think the artist should be considered in using their work. If someone is taking something and claiming it as theirs, I think that's wrong. If someone is manip-ing someone else's work and it is not stock available for use or the artist has not somehow given permission and the source is not provided, I think that's also wrong. If someone is looking at the ideas and approaches someone else used to create something and it is not a mere reproduction of the other person's work, I think that's OK.

Ultimately, it comes down to the person behind the originating piece. Some people really don't care all that much what other people do with their work. Some people are very sensitive about it. Either way, I think the artist has the right to ask that someone not use their work in a certain way and that person using their work should be honorable and respectful of their wishes.

When I started to get better at sigs last year, I owed a lot of it to Jennafae. My god I ganked her style =x Then I started incorporating more and more from other artists and trying to put spin on it to make it unique. We all do this and its the only way to learn. Anyone who gets grabby about their 'technique' ah well, I guess they want to hold onto being unique. I asked jenna in the past and Vex all the time 'wtf, how'd you do that?' They were always cool and helped with tutorials.

Even when I met Gilae and she asked if I minded she used the some style layout I had done, I was flattered. Told her its not my style but about a dozen different artists thrown together lol. Its how we take those ideas and make it our own that's special. =)

i have to disagree, you can do almost everything cept using the original work again most times. especially when it comes to different countries and different laws.


thats true, nothing would make me happier. well, almost. i've seen like 3-4 people already who stole my magelo bg. only thing that pisses me off ultimately is people taking credit for it or ruining the work by turning it into shit with lame filters and stuff.

i should slap you in the face for saying that. art knows no limits, really. if you are creative, you can always come up with something new. damn i sound like a teacher.

thats how it should be =P i look at alot of work and it gives me the urge to try out new styles and techniques.

I agree, although not with the slapping, with Drizzi.

Nothing NEW?! Are you Mad?! =p

Take one look at say, one of my favorites, Amy Brown. Ok thats not new. Persay. Faeries done in watercolor with various watercolor themes. That wasnt around in the Masters' time. (I mean the artists subset~). But making a living off of it? Exploring all those themes and subjects? Thats all *new*. Even if everything that could ever be painted in every way was already painted, someone out there ... no one out there .. could have seen it all. So every painting is constantly new to someone whos never seen it.

Ignoring the fact there was no watercolor ...but still! Theres always something new. Always. Even if the idea isnt new, the technique could be, the emotion is always new. Always!

But to the original idea.

For me, I dont care in the slightest. No one has ever stolen my work. The only reason I would even care is if they defaced it utterly and claimed it was theirs. But really, again, the only reason I would care then if it was a liscenced deal.

I know a lot of artists really get upset over it, but I look at it the other way. That person doesnt prolly even KNOW Its wrong. I did it once - and I didnt know it was wrong till someone told me. Then Ive prolly become over-gunshy about doing what 'other people do'.

That was even reinforced to me at one point, but I digress. It doesnt even matter if you really ARE copin someones style, someones going to think you are.

I dont even like to post things in the same theme as other folks now. If someone does, say, a mermaid I wouldnt post a mermaid I did for a long time. (This happened once). Just because I didnt want to 'step on toes' or be a 'bandwagoner'.

But Im too sensitive about what others think. But I dont care if they 'steal' my work. Im very careful to not 'steal' from others - but I always get inspired by them.

Sorry for the ramble ^^

omg lol Vex!!!

About art, I love to take inspiration from someone else's work, because Im all about the way we see things. I could take someone else's work, and do my own and get a totally different thought out of the same picture. I love how the mind works and how we see things so differently. So I dont exactly copy things, and i will always credit the original artist when done, but I do it for reasons of proving that so many things can be seen differently from so many people :)

I dont do a lot of art anymore, but mostly what I do is photography and portraits. Or fan art, something someone loves, I put it on paper for them.

I am definatly one of the latter, I take inspiration from others. And I can definatly say that this is one of the best sites for that. Ive thought more about art and trying new things since I joined up here than since high school.

Thanks! :) :ham2

I personally don't have too great a concern over copyright. I've had my stuff stolen a few times before. The only reason I go after the person is mainly as a service to my customers. When you pay a few hundred dollars for something, it never feels good when someone ganks the identity that was supposed to be yours. I tend to work more traditionally in my drawings, so at the very least if someone wants to swipe my techniques it takes a little bit off effort.

I don't actively try and protect the single drawings I do. Once it's done, my focus is on the next project, not the idea of preserving the old one and defending it at all costs. Hell, I stopped slapping watermarks and logos on my pic. The way I see it, it may only take a minute or 2, but that's a minute or 2 that can be spent on a new project :)

Yes we all know the infamous NS'er who copyrights her work and goes nuts about it, but really has no reason to.../whispers because who'd want to gank it?

/catty off
/bats eyelashes