Round 7 - OOC

You're not the only one keeping track.



Blackrabbit voted for Darsa. I voted for Tor. The other three are correct.



Blackrabbit voted for Jin. Yeah, I voted for Snow Dragon first, and then who voted for her shortly after? Oh look, it's Captain Bontempe!



This is true. Not very much at all was said about Lilith in /ooc and I have no idea what people saw to vote her off. We all talked about clues pointing toward Mary but come voting time most people went with someone that hadn’t really been discussed.

I have to say, though, that I find it hella suspicious that the couple of times I voted my own way, someone jumped onto my little one person bandwagon. To ensure not all mafia were voting the same way? That was a theory I took very little stock in until now. I wrote it off as paranoia and even when I saw many discrepancies in your voting record, I assumed they were simply errors and suggested you recheck them. I got 'LOL, but Veri' in response.



This is not accurate. This is why everyone should keep their own records and examine them in the proper context. Fortunately, the facts are not hard to find.

Verileah: Tor Snow Dragon Mary
Snow Dragon: Rosa Jin Lilith
Heijinx: Tor Snow Dragon Lilith
Blackrabbit: Darsa Jin Lilith
Nick: Tor Jin Mary
Lemmy: Tor Jin Lilith
Mash: Tor Jin Lilith
Mike: Darsa Jin Lilith
Lillaanya: No Vote Jin Lilith

Seven of Nine (hee) players either skipped a vote or voted against the grain in at least one round.

So what does all of this prove? Not much, I’d say. Actually, I’d say that either way, so my question is, what is it that you’re trying so hard to prove that you’d get a little goofy with the data in order to do it?

Veri Our records are pretty much the same -- instead of writing Snowdragon down I used her captain name of Cai for Caitri. MP is short for Mash Potato and I used CGE for Captain Ginger Ears after the flag. BR refers to Black Rabbit. I chose what was shorter while I was looking at the voting thread. The only one i had wrong was my own and I changed it from Jin to Caitri on round 5. You have corrected that error but the fact still remains I find the most suspicious ones to be Devilish Mary and Blackwater or Mike and Lillanya ever how you want to say it.

It doesn't have to prove anything to anyone, least of all to you. I was trying to decipher out of the ones the mafia issued hits on and the ones that were dead if there was a voting pattern that went with it. We ALL have reasons why we do what we do.

*** and yes to BR about the book being butchered up for the movie. I have read several other novels by Gregory including this one before seeing the movie and she has some pretty good theories of how things might have happened in history. Her theory actually makes good sense for why Mary Boleyn and Ann Boleyn ended up as they did. The movies time lines were also very warped.

Congrats to Lemmy for some excellent fear-mongering! ;) Because, if you think about it, that's all his argument has been. I automatically believed him for FourWinds, I don't now, and neither should you.

The sequence of events Lemmy describes does sound unlikely--but only because it's written in list form ;) Consider this: getting doctor protection, knowing you have doctor protection, and staging one's own hit--that's all one step if you're mafia!

At the beginning of the game we assumed there were 5 or 6 mafia... out of all that group, someone may have discovered the doctor. I don't know how, I'm still quite new to this game, but apparently it happened because Lemmy managed to get protection. Note that it doesn't rely totally on Lemmy to do it himself--the mafia is a team, and would share that info with one another.

I'm sure that wasn't the mafia's strategy from the start, but rather a happy accidental discovery. Now how best to make use of it? They could just kill the doctor off... or they could use him/her to give one of their members an impeccable alibi. FourWinds was sacrificed to make it even more credible--it doesn't matter how many mafia are killed as long as they are the last ones standing, after all.


Rather than being an argument against that sequence of events, this is actually an argument for it. An accidental discovery of the doctor could happen at any time, it only relies on the doctor letting their guard down for a moment. However, having the doctor believe that a mafia member is the sheriff needs to happen at the beginning of the game, before the doctor has a chance to get suspicious of certain players.


Use the doctor once to make an alibi, then kill the doctor off. Act as the sheriff and out one of your own members to gain credibility, then don't make any more "positive" IDs. Makes sense to me ;)

Except I have made another positive ID, and that's your problem, isn't it MafiaPotato? :pirate

There's little point in arguing this point now, as I've said what has happened, and you've said what you want people to think has happened. Whatever will be, will be. People will make the right choice tonight!

I think there should be a trial by battle. I'll start work on the mash potato pit of justice if someone else can make some of those giant q-tip things.

Since we have not gotton a SK hit yet does that mean we got the SK last lynch or just they are running late posting it or the vote thread?

I'm not prepared to jump to any conclusions just yet on that front.

*sigh* And there goes the SK hit

I'm guessing that was Bontempe who just got knocked off? From the flag? I didn't see a name mentioned.

:\ Well shit.

I'm guessing you're right, BR. Good eye, I was scratching my head and longing for my spreadsheet because my memory sucks.

The flag description plus the boat being a caravel makes me think it's Bontempe too. I wonder if there's a reason why the name wasn't explicitly stated? Has this happened before, when the hit wasn't "to be continued"?

It probably wasn't stated because I bet poor Mai was sleepy when she wrote it. :) I don't think the mods would leave out a name intentionally!

Bontempe is the only one left, however, with a caravel and also the only one with a skeleton on the flag. So thar he goes. :( Fare ye well, Bontempe!

As for the hit, I am still having issues with clue-finding. Meh.

*scratches head*

Okay these history lessons are probably -really- tiresome at this point, but since someone asked about precedent...

I don't think this case really applies, but this has happened before. The short version is that the SK skidded himself after being caught out cheating, and since we (this was David and I, and I believe it was our first Ender's Game Mafia) didn't want to ever reveal the role, we just didn't say and let the players figure it out.

Like I said, I don't think that specific thing happened in this case, though the implications are worth considering - the mods never outright put a name to a role.

Anyway. I'm nowhere. No idea.