Stupid f'ing Catholic church

/shrug

Its the way its has been for hundreds of years.

Its one reason, though baptized as a Catholic, I don't practice.

I also believe in birth control, am pro choice, and disagree with confessionals. But I don't tell practicing Catholics that to believe differently is wrong. It is my choice to believe or not, and their choice to do the same.

I like the Pope's red shoes =D

I was extremely offended at this as well, and I had to read the whole article just to get an idea why; I got to the part that states that it's tradition because all of Jesus' apostles were men. Personally, I tend to think that this is an acceptable reason, since it's their church, their rules. This it totally my opinion tho, and probably not the popular one :)

Oh, and I'm not Catholic.

I think churches in general are just bad.. even were I religious Id have to find another way to worship hehe, but to each their own!

Ive read the davinci code.. and while I know its a fiction.. I believe theres alot of truth to it *nods* and not specifically the catholic church.. my hubby grew up mormon and their churches are definately no better from what ive seen, imho ( no offense meant to anyone here)

Yes but as to the reason given.. "only men were apostles". There are TONS of holes to be blown in that argument..

Quite a lot of the original scriptures have been removed or lost over time (King James version is most commonly found today, this is not the original Bible... also where are all the details of Christ from a child to 30? removed, but they exist) Back in those days women did not have equal rights, were treated poorly and naturally if Jesus sought people to further his cause a man (AT THAT TIME) would have better chances than a female. Then there are the arguments that Mary Magdalene was actually Jesus' first apostle and possibly who was supposed to assume control of the church upon his demise. However.. again historically male dominated society and male controlled history will only show us what the men in charge in the past want to be known.

Sorry not trying to offend anyone but... like I asked.. what makes them immune to the evolution of culture and socities' views? What makes a woman inferior to a man in this regard? Because we are in no way inferior, and this action only goes to show the Church's ill treatment of women continues even today. Apparently women still have no rights or freedoms according to the Catholics.

It's disgusting and wrong and until peopole stand up to this archaic point of view and demand equality for females in *EVERY* realm we will never progress as a culture.

Considering women to be 2nd class citizens to men is nothing new in the Catholic faith, or several other faiths for that matter. I would like to say that they are keeping true to their faith, but after seeing the "new deadly sins" a few months ago, apparently even God can change his mind about things (And he's now an enviromentalist!!!).

Another thing...



Even in this day and age, there are cultures that still believe men are superior to women. Thankfully, for the largest part, in the US we don't (though even here there are a minority who do).

I understand your opinion Temp...believe me...as I was very into women's rights in the early 70's (yes...I am that old :P). But I also understand that not everyone is of my opinion, and we need to pick our battles carefully, if we want to succeed in winning any. Until a pope is elected, who has a more modernistic view, you're fighting a losing battle.

And again...just because we feel a certain way, doesn't mean those who don't are wrong. At least what the Catholics are doing isn't illegal - like those rogue 'Mormon' sects who force/allow children to marry and have sex. Religious belief aside, that's just illegal. And they also treat their women as less than equal on top of it all. IMO, as long as what they do ISN'T illegal, I don't care if the women want to be subservient, and bow down to their men folk. It's still their choice.

I would hate like hell for someone to come to me and tell me I can't believe a certain way, just because it goes against their beliefs.

New deadly sins?

And if "God" changes his mind, he sure as anything didn't tell me. It's MAN telling MAN what he interprets what God is saying.

Man wrote the bible. Man rewrote the bible. Man runs the church. Dinosaurs eat man. Woman inherits the Earth. Sign me up.

<3 Mileron

I love that.. haha

:teehee

Yeah, Mil, the church released a new list of sins. Here's a copy of the article I read awhile back:


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,336330,00.html


After 1,500 years the Vatican has brought the seven deadly sins up to date by adding seven new ones for the age of globalization. The list, published yesterday in L’Osservatore Romano, the Vatican newspaper, came as the Pope deplored the “decreasing sense of sin” in today’s “secularized world” and the falling numbers of Roman Catholics going to confession.

The new deadly sins include polluting, genetic engineering, being obscenely rich, drug dealing, abortion, pedophilia and causing social injustice.

The Catholic Church divides sins into venial, or less serious, sins and mortal sins, which threaten the soul with eternal damnation unless absolved before death through confession and penitence.

It holds mortal sins to be “grave violations of the Ten Commandments and the Beatitudes,” including murder, contraception, abortion, perjury, adultery and lust.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church states that “immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into Hell.”

Although there is no definitive list of mortal sins, many believers accept the broad seven deadly sins or capital vices laid down in the 6th century by Pope Gregory the Great and popularized in the Middle Ages by Dante in "The Inferno": lust, gluttony, avarice, sloth, anger, envy and pride.

Christians are exhorted instead to adhere to the seven holy virtues: chastity, abstinence, temperance, diligence, patience, kindness and humility.

Bishop Gianfranco Girotti, head of the Apostolic Penitentiary, the Vatican body which oversees confessions and plenary indulgences, said after a week-long Lenten seminar for priests that surveys showed 60 percent of Catholics in Italy no longer went to confession.

He said that priests must take account of “new sins which have appeared on the horizon of humanity as a corollary of the unstoppable process of globalization.” Whereas sin in the past was thought of as being an individual matter, it now has “social resonance.”

“You offend God not only by stealing, blaspheming or coveting your neighbor’s wife, but also by ruining the environment, carrying out morally debatable scientific experiments, or allowing genetic manipulations which alter DNA or compromise embryos,” he said.

Bishop Girotti said that mortal sins also included taking or dealing in drugs, and social injustice which caused poverty or “the excessive accumulation of wealth by a few.”

He said that two mortal sins which continued to preoccupy the Vatican were abortion, which offended “the dignity and rights of women,” and pedophilia, which had even infected the clergy itself and so had exposed the “human and institutional fragility of the Church.”

The mass media had “blown up” the issue “to discredit the Church,” but the Church itself was taking steps to deal with it, according to Girotti.

Addressing the Apostolic Penitentiary seminar, the Pope said there was “a certain disaffection” with confession among the faithful. Priests had to show “divine tenderness for penitent sinners” and admit their own failings.

“Those who trust in themselves and in their own merits are, as it were, blinded by their own ‘I’, and their hearts harden in sin. Those who recognize themselves as weak and sinful entrust themselves to God, and from Him obtain grace and forgiveness.”

The Pope also complained that an increasing number of people in the secularized West were “making do without God.”

He said that hedonism and consumerism had even invaded “the bosom of the Church itself, deeply undermining the Christian faith from within, and undermining the lifestyle and daily behavior of believers.”

Eastern Catholics do not recognize the same distinction between mortal and venial sins as the Western or Latin Church does, nor do they believe that those people who die in a state of sin are condemned to automatic damnation.

Just wondering...if you are guilty of pollution to you still have to go to confession to be absolved or can you just buy carbon credits from Al Gore?

/snort



GREEN = GOD



This from an entity that requires you to give yearly tithing?

This is why Mike and I get into arguments about 'faith' and 'god'. I don't judge my own children, why should I accept someone else judging me? Why have faith in someone who doesn't like me for who I am? I don't know - no disrespect, honest injun, but with so many different types of religions out there, I'll just keep on not murdering my neighbor or fucking his goat and I think I'll be alright.

Amen, Roz!

ahem... no pun intended ;)

QFT

Isn't abstaining a form of contraception? :P

Being Obscenely Rich ----

From what I have read the Catholic church is one of the richest empires in the world so then aren't they guilty themselves?