I'm sorry but taking 20 seconds to reset a clock isn't much of a cost - many reset themselves now anyway. I do understand some of the complaints, but I'm not too worried about that - I'm sure there are very small costs the other way as well - like turning on a light because its dark.
As a kid at the bus stop I appreciated it, but I do think its a bit outdated now - and as I understand it they are phasing it out anyway
Daylight Savings
Don't forget to set your clocks ahead this weekend 1 hour Saturday Night or Sunday Morning!
Vulash
17 years ago
Kelefane
17 years ago
I agree that its a bit outdated. I guess its still good for the Farmers though.
Darsa
17 years ago
Nah, we here in Maine have DST :) and it's kinda messed me up a little, causing me to wake up before my alarm clock goes off. But it'll be nice to drive home from work tonight while it's still light! :cheer
Jetamio
17 years ago
To be honest, I dont understand the need for it. I mean, theres same number of daylight hours in the day regardless if you change the clocks or not. But it doesn't bother me really, never really gave it much thought til this thread hehe.
ROzbeans
17 years ago
It didn't affect me at all. I was up at 6:00 am with David, although he slept in for another hour, which was fine with me.
Lessa
17 years ago
ok so again, whats the point in something that makes no difference in your life -or- is a major nuissance? :p
i still think its outdated and dumb :p
i still think its outdated and dumb :p
ROzbeans
17 years ago
I probably won't set the clocks in the house for at least a week. :teehee
Vulash
17 years ago
I understand its a pain, and I'm fine with doing away with it - but you guys are acting like its completely pointless when it isn't. It generates evening revenue for businesses, traffic accidents are actually lower - so maybe fora couple weeks in the morning they are more, but overall they go down with more daylight evening hours, and various other reasons.
I'm not for it, but we shouldn't pretend like there is no rationale behind it at all.
I'm not for it, but we shouldn't pretend like there is no rationale behind it at all.
Den
17 years ago
But the thing is, nature does this all on her own, just a bit more slowly, and naturally.
Also, another cost is extending air conditioning for businesses...when you add six weeks of longer days, this will also be an added cost.
The rationale disappeared with the advent of modernization. Kids just aren't in the fields the way they used to be.
Also, another cost is extending air conditioning for businesses...when you add six weeks of longer days, this will also be an added cost.
The rationale disappeared with the advent of modernization. Kids just aren't in the fields the way they used to be.
Eve
17 years ago
Frankly I don't care which way it is, long as they just leave it one way or the other. If I had to choose, I'd pick normal time simply because trying to convince a kid it's bed time when it's not even dark out yet can be a bit of a pain in the ass, not to mention waking them when it's dark. Not that I have to worry about either anymore cuz my kiddo pretty much stays up with me til about 10 now and her butt sleeps in unless I wake her up which doesn't happen often cuz I like to sleep in myself LoL
ROzbeans
17 years ago
Blame Ben.
By Gary Orlando
Benjamin Franklin, one of our most famous forefathers and a great inventor, was the first person to conceive of the idea of a "Daylight Saving Time." (Many people today mistakenly refer to it as "Daylight Savings Time.) He first spoke of the idea publicly in an essay titled "An Economical Project" which he conveyed as an American delegate while in Paris in 1784. His original intent with the essay was to be whimsical, by poking fun at the tendency of the French to sleep until noon. The essay pointed out that if 100,000 Parisian families burned half a pound of candles per hour for an average of seven hours per day, they would use a total of 64,050,000 pounds of candle wax, costing an immense sum of money that the city of Paris could save every year by implementing a Daylight Saving Time.
Although Franklin’s original intent was to be humorous and witty, friends and fellow inventors were so fascinated by the idea that they continued to talk with him about it after he had returned from Paris. Then in London, around 1907, a builder named William Willett was the first to seriously try to persuade officials that setting clocks ahead by 20 minutes on each of the four Sundays in April and retarding them by the same amount on the four Sundays in September would be beneficial to everyone in helping get some extra daylight time over the summer for work. Willett lobbied mightily and spent a fortune trying to convince others, but most just laughed at him and he died about one year before it became a reality.
During World War I, in an effort to conserve fuel needed to produce electric power, Germany and Austria began saving daylight by advancing the hands of the clock one hour from April through October. This 1916 action was immediately followed by Belgium, Denmark, France, Italy, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Sweden, Turkey, Tasmania, Nova Scotia, and Manitoba. Following the lead from Germany, on May 17, 1916, England passed into law that Daylight Saving Time would start on May 21, and all clocks would be advanced ahead one hour on the first Sunday of May and retarded by one hour on the last Sunday of October. In 1917, Australia, Newfoundland and Nova Scotia also initiated Daylight Saving Time. Whether or not this had anything to do with improving the efficiency of the war effort is still debated, but the idea took hold and stuck. The United States soon followed, in 1918, although the Royal Metrological Society insisted that Greenwich Time still be used for tide measurements.
After the end of WWI, however, the law proved to be unpopular in the United States, mostly because people rose earlier and went to bed earlier than we do to day, and the law was repealed in 1919. It became instead a local option and was continued in a few states and some cities. Today, Daylight Saving Time for the U.S. and its territories is NOT observed in Hawaii, American Samoa, Guam, Puerto Rico, and the Virgin Islands. It is also not observed in most of the Eastern Time Zone portion of the state of Indiana, and the state of Arizona—with the exception of the Navajo Indian Reservation, which does observe. The Navajo Nation participates in the Daylight Saving Time policy due to its large size and location in three states.
Just as sunflowers turn their heads to catch every single sunbeam and get the most out of it, we humans have also discovered a simple way to save energy and enjoy the sun longer in the summertime by switching our clocks an hour forward. This weekend, as we enter our annual Daylight Saving Time, clocks in the United States will spring forward from 1:59 a.m. to 3:00 a.m. In the EU, clocks change at 1 a.m. Universal Time.
Interesting Note:
England was the first to establish a regional time zone—a single time throughout a region—in 1847. This was spurred on by railway officials as a much better way to set schedules for trains that traveled in and out of various time regions. Prior to this, time setting was left up to individual cities to deal with the matter as they saw fit, usually by solar means, and the same system was in place in the United States. As in England, the railway also wanted some standardization in America and Canada. So in 1883 the U.S. adopted its own time zones.
Blame Ben.
Eve
17 years ago
LoL Yeah I actually read that the other day too.
Vulash
17 years ago
More AC because they are open making business later hours - taking your rationale to an extreme would be saying it would save us money to not have the businesses open in the first place.
Den
17 years ago
This...
The Independent Institute
http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=2144
Daylight Saving Time Costs Nation $1.7 Billion
Economists typically value the opportunity cost of a person’s time at his or her wage rate. The U.S. Department of Labor’s Bureau of Labor Statistics reports that the average American’s hourly wage was $17.57 in September 2007. Assuming that it takes everyone 10 minutes to move all of their clocks and watches forward or backward by an hour, the opportunity cost of doing so works out to $2.93 per person. Multiplying that number by the total U.S. population (excluding Arizona) yields a one-time opportunity cost for the nation of just under $860 millionâ€â€or, to be more precise, $858,274,802. Since clocks must be changed twice every year, this back-of-the-envelope calculation must be doubled, to approximately $1.7 billion annually.
There are other costs associated with adjusting to DST and standard time as well. For example, the time changes interrupt our circadian rhythmsâ€â€that is, our daily biological patternsâ€â€and productivity inevitably falls in the days following the switch, as people report groggily to work.
wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time
DST's occasional clock shifts present other challenges. They complicate timekeeping and can disrupt meetings, travel, billing, recordkeeping, medical devices, and heavy equipment. Many computer-based systems can adjust their clocks automatically, but this can be limited and error-prone, particularly when DST rules change.
USA Today
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-03-08-daylight-saving-time_N.htm
Matthew J. Kotchen, a professor of environmental economics at the University of California in Santa Barbara, and Laura E. Grant, a doctoral student in the same field, studied the effects of daylight saving in Indiana, where some counties used it and others did not. The states changed the law two years ago so that all counties now use daylight saving time.
In an interview, Kotchen said using residential electricity bills for Indiana, he and Grant found that daylight saving time reduced electricity use for lighting but that more was used for air conditioning in the summer and heating in the fall than was saved.
Vulash
17 years ago
I'm just not buying that every single American needs 10 minutes to change their clocks, and at a time when that time is worth money. Those numbers are inflated and deliberately skewed - and they do not touch upon the revenue gained. It's far more complicated then their bad statistics.
Our circadian rhythm is a 25 hour cycle anyway.
The Ph.D found that they saved on electricity and lost on AC, but that statement still fails to account for hundreds of other factors.
I'm just saying - these blanket statements don't really cut it.
Our circadian rhythm is a 25 hour cycle anyway.
The Ph.D found that they saved on electricity and lost on AC, but that statement still fails to account for hundreds of other factors.
I'm just saying - these blanket statements don't really cut it.
Den
17 years ago
I doubt there are ever times when blanket statements are valid, like never say never; however, I also see more reasons why it would just be better for everyone if we went on standard time, and stayed on standard time. There just aren't the benefits there may have been at one time.
Kelefane
17 years ago
That is a mileage may vary statement.
Depends on the State really.
Den;104211
There just aren't the benefits there may have been at one time.
That is a mileage may vary statement.
Depends on the State really.
Lessa
17 years ago
ok but, why cant the people that would benefit from waking earlier.. not jus tset their alarms earlier when the sun starts to rise earlier?
I mean.. if its still beneficial for farmers to wake early.. do you honestly think that tey care if everyone else wakes up at the same time they do? they have no employer that tells them they must be at work at this specific time.
I mean.. if its still beneficial for farmers to wake early.. do you honestly think that tey care if everyone else wakes up at the same time they do? they have no employer that tells them they must be at work at this specific time.
Den
17 years ago
Can you give me an example of what states would benefit differently, and why?
Kelefane;104212
That is a mileage may vary statement.
Depends on the State really.
Can you give me an example of what states would benefit differently, and why?
Vulash
17 years ago
I think today it has more to do with revenue gained by people spending more leisure time after work when its still daylight than farmers.
So are they doing away with it? I keep hearing rumors but haven't seen anything official. Can't say that I've looked very hard.
So are they doing away with it? I keep hearing rumors but haven't seen anything official. Can't say that I've looked very hard.