Angels & Demons Mafia / DAY 2 OOC / pharren 15 years ago

DAY 2 OOC

Hi!

Verileah 15 years ago
The only connection I can find to the dish wand is Boris, and it's a loose one at that - he's a chef *shrugs*. There's other stuff related to his bio, like having a knife and the talk of organ replacement. I dunno though.

I can find even less that fits with the movie motif, guess that's a dead end.

A heart in the hand symbolizes charity, which is a heavenly virtue. I didn't find anything that tied into charity in anyone's bio though.

The Bernie theory isn't terrible...
So, keeping himself to himself, he indulged himself in writing fantasy stories where majestic elephants ruled the planet a bit like Planet of the Apes except with elephants.
Planet Earth, PLANET of the APES, OMG connection!

The Professor I don't know about - are rhinos even endangered?

I can see why people are honing in on Sammy:
Fink is rather misanthropic in his heart of hearts
This is the only bio that specifically mentions anything to do with the heart
Sammy has red hair
Sammy is carrying a steel spatula - the fact that this kill happened in a kitchen area could tie into that.
He is a zookeeper
Fink is going on vacation for 2 weeks to the Serengeti
I bet he's going to see lots of endangered animals there!

I don't know, though, a lot of this stuff applies to Boris too.
Vulash 15 years ago
Myraan was the one that was very organized I was thinking of - sorry Veri on that one!
Vulash 15 years ago
Well there was one bio that mentions charitable in a sense....I think it's too much of a stretch though.

Also as far as fink - the thing that jumps out at me is:

belong to animals that adapt to their environment, not the other way around

This screams evolution and it specifically talks about extinction, and more specifically the humans in the bank going extinct.
Wystro 15 years ago
Wow! I need to start reading into these things more. Vulash is breaking down a ton of stuff .

How many Mafia are there usually? How many people can these clues be pointing to?
Vulash 15 years ago
I don't know the system for choosing, but my guess is 4-6 with a SK in the mix - I think in the past I've seen 4-5 typically, but we didn't have as many players? It's hard to remember, and we haven't always used the SK.
Verileah 15 years ago
God dammit people keep accusing me while I am busy accusing other people! lol.

Vulash it would be better to bold what you want to emphasize (with a little 'emphasis mine' note somewhere in there). I'd rather you didn't add words to my bio at all (kind of misleading, I feel) but the colors are particularly tricky because I'm using the work safe skin.

What was the Italian clue again? I completely missed that. Also what does a first aid kit have to do with anything?

Anyway, kind of wonder why you bothered singling out my bio after you realized that it didn't say what you thought it said. But I'm a give you the benefit of the doubt and just go with my theory that you suspect me for your own reasons, and not that you're trying to frame me as part of an evil...er...good...mafia plot :).

Oh, and what was the charity link? I got nothing looking for that.
Vulash 15 years ago
Sorry didn't mean to be misleading. I went ahead and posted because I liked the other clues, and had already gone through all the effort of typing color=blah over and over. I'll do the bold thing next time ;)

The Italian thing was just a reference to shoes in the first kill, and the charitable thing was also towards you - though I see absolutely no reason you would bring charitable up if yours was the only bio even remotely related. I consider both very weak - I like the color thing.

I'm doing the other bios now - I just realized after yours that it isn't worth the effort of doing it that way (it took awhile).

So just to be clear: I added stuff in red to Veri's bio that were my own thoughts, and I'm not singling her out....yet.
SnowDragon 15 years ago
Ok from reading the hit this is what I have seen:
Eviscerated reference-
Nadiya (Myself) - Not leaving myself out of this would be to suspicious but she is carrying a small throwing knife. But I don't see this as a carving tool since it is a throwing instrument kinda like a chinese throwing star.
Boris (Slipnish) is a chef he would definitely know how to cut everything up perfectly. He is carrying a pocket knife. Not only that but a chef would know how to use animal hearts in recipes etc. Not only that but in his profile it states Boris is a man's man, and thinks that anyone who goes to the hospital for anything less than an organ replacement is a wuss. He drinks only Russian Vodka, and is firm in his belief that all Americans are soft. So since it seems there are a lot of Americans in the bank he has a grudge against them?
Ella (Shutup Sara) - I did notice that she has scars on her wrist and her throat and she is carrying a switch blade. Not to certain on this one just throwing it out there.
Victor (Keriath) - In his right front pocket is a benchmark folding tactical knife and he has slowly lost his grasp of what it was to be a decent and honorable man.
John (MashPotato) - Not that he says he is carrying a knife on him but this stuck out to me "John Smith" adopted his hamster from a his former "business associate" after he and his family went on an "extended vacation". Extended Vacation. Did that mean John killed his former associate and has a history of killing. Plus he does have the word gallbladder in his profile.
Sammy (Gongaa) - pocket knife - very minimal except for the bottle opener attachment. This is the only thing that would implement him in this incident get to the rest of the stuff later.
Kal (Spirtis) -

a pocket knife.

He joined the Army's Elite Special Forces, and was soon deployed off to remote parts of the world, undertaking classified missions, doing things that no man should ever have to do in their life. He soon became numb to the things he had to do, pushing the acts out of his mind, so he could do what had to be done to accomplish the mission.
Spencer (Greywood) -

A 4 inch lock-blade pocketknife.miscarriage using his fist and forcing her to drink a bottle of tequila. Not that has anything to do with cutting but he does have a history of violence.

Ok have to cook dinner so I will post this much for now. Will have to go through the other clues and post what I see later.


Vulash 15 years ago
Ok going to read bios and place random thoughts - I can't do what I did with Verileah's for all of them, and hers didn't even have the major clue I thought it did so blah ( though still some good ones, and I REALLY like the color theme and her crayons)

- Ella has a knife
- Nadiya has a knife
- so does Boris
- Nicole has a mirror and mentions being crazy
- Victor has a knife (ab out to stop listing people with knives lol)
- Bernie doesn't say it, but he is crazy
- Jeremy is a brit who has shows (Planet Earth is a BBC show - he even has a BBC security pass) and is fast to quip with his tongue-in-cheek humor - perhaps
the person who said the 2nd line that we don't understand yet?
- The professor has published multiple papers on genetics - another strong connection the extinction stuff on top of all the other various clues already mentioned
Fink/Gongaa - Perhaps the strongest clues of all this week, and some decent ones last week - all have been mentioned that I can find
Kal Mondo - pocket knife - a bum with a special forces background - that would surprise you too
Jayden - snacks, multicolor hair (matches multicolor theme)
Spence - knife, rich theme
Vulash 15 years ago
SnowDragon;97874
Ok from reading the hit this is what I have seen:
Eviscerated reference-
Nadiya (Myself) - Not leaving myself out of this would be to suspicious but she is carrying a small throwing knife. But I don't see this as a carving tool since it is a throwing instrument kinda like a chinese throwing star.
Boris (Slipnish) is a chef he would definitely know how to cut everything up perfectly. He is carrying a pocket knife. Not only that but a chef would know how to use animal hearts in recipes etc. Not only that but in his profile it states Boris is a man's man, and thinks that anyone who goes to the hospital for anything less than an organ replacement is a wuss. He drinks only Russian Vodka, and is firm in his belief that all Americans are soft. So since it seems there are a lot of Americans in the bank he has a grudge against them?
Ella (Shutup Sara) - I did notice that she has scars on her wrist and her throat and she is carrying a switch blade. Not to certain on this one just throwing it out there.
Victor (Keriath) - In his right front pocket is a benchmark folding tactical knife and he has slowly lost his grasp of what it was to be a decent and honorable man.
John (MashPotato) - Not that he says he is carrying a knife on him but this stuck out to me "John Smith" adopted his hamster from a his former "business associate" after he and his family went on an "extended vacation". Extended Vacation. Did that mean John killed his former associate and has a history of killing. Plus he does have the word gallbladder in his profile.
Sammy (Gongaa) - pocket knife - very minimal except for the bottle opener attachment. This is the only thing that would implement him in this incident get to the rest of the stuff later.
Kal (Spirtis) -

a pocket knife.

He joined the Army's Elite Special Forces, and was soon deployed off to remote parts of the world, undertaking classified missions, doing things that no man should ever have to do in their life. He soon became numb to the things he had to do, pushing the acts out of his mind, so he could do what had to be done to accomplish the mission.
Spencer (Greywood) -

A 4 inch lock-blade pocketknife.miscarriage using his fist and forcing her to drink a bottle of tequila. Not that has anything to do with cutting but he does have a history of violence.

Ok have to cook dinner so I will post this much for now. Will have to go through the other clues and post what I see later.





I completely missed the organ replacement clue with the organs missing - great find
Wystro 15 years ago
Okay! Major clue there! Now we're making things happen. Before I get all freaked out, does anyone else have organ stuff in their bios? I don't see it offhand.
pharren 15 years ago
Just now catching up post-raid, and I have to say, Vulash, please, for the love of (insert deity or other revered thing here), do not type in colors - ESPECIALLY PINK OR YELLOW. Those of us using the white theme have a difficult time reading that. THANKS HUN <3
Vulash 15 years ago
huhuhu
ShutUpSara 15 years ago
An aside.. I hate my school's internet/browsers. They randomly crashed in the middle of a RP post, and I don't remember what I wrote!!! >:{

Bah humbug. Stupid college.
Greywood 15 years ago
At this point I'm starting to suspect the Mafia members are either posting a ton or almost not at all. I saw the organ thing as well but wasn't sure if that was enough to connect him considering all the nature stuff and the quotes from the killer(s). We have to assume the quotes are coming from multiple people at this point...I guess the Leninist would find any job in a capitalist society a thing to put down..and a man's man might demean women i suppose. I'm still convinced at least one of the mafia is female though.

I guess at this point we have to assume the first person seen both times was a man correct? At the first kill it was light footsteps and we should assume the 2nd kill had a knife so we should prolly cross reference those with cutting utensils (quite a few of them) with the types of shoes they are wearing. We also must consider that this person may be the one that had strength much more than they appeared and if i recall Boris's bio correctly he is 6 feet tall but rather thin....at 6 foot it would require someone coming out of the stall to step around him but he would still be light enough to make small footsteps and may look weaker than he is.
Verileah 15 years ago
I totally missed the Jeremy/BBC/Planet Earth connection. That's a good one. Not really seeing anything else that clicks though.

Greywood, I don't know that the person who snuck into the bathroom and hid in the stall is the same person who stood in front of Ethan's stall is the same person who Ethan underestimated is the same person who first confronted Dia.

I do think the two odd lines came from the same person though.

Maybe a breakdown of what I think happened would be good, then people can tell me if I'm wrong.

Vivian begins to clean up at the sink in the snack bar, when someone startles her. She brandishes a dish wand and Mafia_01 gets in her space. A second person (with a gruff, disembodied voice) comes up behind her, at which point she turns around and sees more people enter the room and join Mafia_02. They talk some smack and then eviscerate her - her major organs (and her eyes) are missing except for her heart. The remote control is in her rib cage, and the dish wand is sticking out of her mouth. This is how she is found.

And finally, links between the first kill and the second:
Day one:
‘The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For out of the overflow of his heart his mouth speaks.’

Day two:
Her eyes were missing, as well as her major vital organs save for her heart, which apparently she was holding in her right hand. The flat screen blared loudly at the people standing over Miss Scout’s body, and with disgust, Mr. Green noticed the remote control was tucked neatly into her rib cage. Moving around the table he approached the television and looked for the off button on the side as it spewed out information regarding extinction. The irony was not lost on Mr. Green. His bank patrons representing all walks of life were becoming extinct right in front of his eyes.

As someone pulled the kitchen dish wand that was protruding from her mouth out, Mr. Green finally found the switch and turned off the television.


Hearts, mouths, voices, speaking. Wut does it all mean?

Red continues to be a theme, but hell, it's mafia - if there's not some red going on there's a problem. Luxury continues to be a theme as well, but then it could be a really nice bank I guess.

I was thinking - could the charity symbolism, combined with all the talk of luxury and decadence, point to someone greedy (the deadly sin that opposes charity)?

Also, I just want to say that this keeps jumping out at me in connection with all this talk of character and being good (or not):
Victor/Keriath:
Victor longed for the comrade’s he used to have in his unit and without that attachment he has slowly lost his grasp of what it was to be a decent and honorable man.


Character is a big deal in the military and that odd statement about killing the innocent taking character could fit.

Anyway, right now I'm leaning toward Boris but the serial kill is coming soon so there might be new information, or I might be dead and unable to talk any more :(.
Merreck 15 years ago
Posting some random thoughts of things that stuck out to me... then will look through bios to see if any matches come up.

The person took a step forward, which Vivian matched with a step back.
Maybe a reference to dancing.

‘I’m good, thanks,’ she replied.

‘Are you really?’

Vivian’s eyebrows arched with surprise. ‘Am I…what? Am I good?’

‘Are you?’
Good girl reference.

More people came through the door, quietly joining the seemingly disembodied gruff voice
Who would have a voice that didn't match their body?

‘Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind.’
Was anyone a non conformist?
Merreck 15 years ago
Nadiya Kostkov is/was a dancer.

Nichole - "Nicole is a girl that lives in the moment and she tries to live outside the norm. Some people call her punk, others just shake their heads, but she doesn't care and doesn't label herself."

Danielle Martin is a girl scout type

My top two suspects are:
Professor Horatio Fwaffernagle Vanderkrumpt IV
Sammy "Fink" Clarke

And, I definitely feel that one of the larger males is the Godfather.
Kilandra 15 years ago
More scripture references (duh, Angels vs Demons lol), but this time, here we go again with the 12's!
Romans 12:2 :And be not conformed to this aworld: but be ye btransformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
non KJV: Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is--his good, pleasing and perfect will.

However, I'm not quite sure how this goes against someone's occupation or gender. Feminist maybe? Someone has a profession that is not in tune with God's mind?

It's directed at Vivian, but how exactly is an auto mechanic evil?

Then there is the death scene itself, the talk of evisceration, which one kind is: Evisceration is a method of autotomy involving the ejection of internal organs used by animals as a defensive strategy. There we have another animal reference that people are caught up on. Hmmmm.

Part of the scene talks of her heart being in her right hand. Another scriptural reference? Ecclesiastes 10:2 (hm, this time there are 2's abounding?) A wise man’s heart is at his right hand; but a fool’s heart at his left.

Talking about her eyes being cut out. This one was stretching for me. There is this one guy who called himself the "paraphilic serial killer," who cut out peoples eyes. His name is Charles Albright, and he is from Texas.

Also, to the Planet Earth reference and the part about extinction. COuld this be all of the episode? If so, Season 2 (another 2) Episode one is titled Saving Species.

I'm not sure if this is the same as the BBC version, but the Discovery Channel also has a Planet Earth series.

Back to the body, and the remote stuffed into the chest cavity. Mummies were often stuffed (eviscerated abdominal cavity) with ritual items.. tv remote a ritual item? It is certainly a statement of today's world, and how dependant we are on technology, could also be a reference to the evils of the world that we see on TV each day?

I'm not completely sure what we are voting for... honestly. This is just about the Mafia hit, not sure if we are supposed to vote on the SK kill?

There are several with references to 2 in their bios. However, rereading the bios, one stood out to me. From Professor Horatio Fwaffernagle Vanderkrumpt IV, "He has published papers on varied scientific concepts, and is regarded by some as a genius for his insights on genetics, and by many more as an utter lunatic for his insatiable interests in the paranormal and the occult."

Could that be a nod towards how she was laid up and posed? Very ritualistic in nature, to some occult in nature.

Of course there is Sammy, the zookeeper, who thinks animals have more right to the planet than humans, definitely in line with the Planet Earth bit.

Another one that stood out : Kal Mando. "He joined the Army's Elite Special Forces, and was soon deployed off to remote parts of the world, undertaking classified missions, doing things that no man should ever have to do in their life. He soon became numb to the things he had to do, pushing the acts out of his mind, so he could do what had to be done to accomplish the mission. "

She was certainly 'taken care of' in a means that someone would have to have a strong stomach and/or mind with little care or concern as to what they were doing to another human being.

I read and reread everyone's posts, but this one was tricky. After some thought, I'm still not entirely certain. Gah!
pharren 15 years ago
It's directed at Vivian, but how exactly is an auto mechanic evil?


I thought it was directed towards one of the other killers.

I'm not completely sure what we are voting for... honestly. This is just about the Mafia hit, not sure if we are supposed to vote on the SK kill?


Why wouldn't we vote on the SK? You vote on whatever you're most certain about. There's no reason to let the SK go free... unless you're the SK... or in collusion with the SK...