WoW questions for the WoW guru's

On a PvP server, do you get honor points to spend on gear just for normal PK'ing...what I mean is if you kill a player just say in......STV, do you get points for it like you would in a PvP instance...like WSG or whatever it is?

I'm debating on playing again, but My lvl 60 Pally won't have time to raid...only PvP, but no time to wait in line for 2-4 hours before getting an instance.

If you play on Azjul-Nerub(sp?) Is the wait still that long? (2-4 hours) The reply I got from the people at Blizzard was....we have no answer for you since each server is different, and it depends if there is enough players, and what time of the day...yadda yadda. Those of you on A-N that actually know can you let me know?

I guess another option would be to transfer my character to a PvP server where wait time on instances is minutes...not hours.

Thoughts, suggestions....serious ones only please. Thanks!

Jinheim 19 years ago
Rikr
On a PvP server, do you get honor points to spend on gear just for normal PK'ing...what I mean is if you kill a player just say in......STV, do you get points for it like you would in a PvP instance...like WSG or whatever it is?

I'm debating on playing again, but My lvl 60 Pally won't have time to raid...only PvP, but no time to wait in line for 2-4 hours before getting an instance.

If you play on Azjul-Nerub(sp?) Is the wait still that long? (2-4 hours) The reply I got from the people at Blizzard was....we have no answer for you since each server is different, and it depends if there is enough players, and what time of the day...yadda yadda. Those of you on A-N that actually know can you let me know?

I guess another option would be to transfer my character to a PvP server where wait time on instances is minutes...not hours.

Thoughts, suggestions....serious ones only please. Thanks!


Yes, you get honor any time you kill someone in your level range. I think for a level 60 it's anyone 48+. You don't get much honor for killing people on the lower end of that spectrum, but if you kill another 60 1vs1, you get a decent amount of honor. When I was level 58, I managed to kill the alliance High Marshall all by myself (through complete and total luck). He was worth like 600 honor.

What else do you want to know?
Mileron 19 years ago
Rikr
On a PvP server, do you get honor points to spend on gear just for normal PK'ing...what I mean is if you kill a player just say in......STV, do you get points for it like you would in a PvP instance...like WSG or whatever it is?

Honor points to gain PVP ranks, yes.

Faction for BG-specific rewards, no.
If you play on Azjul-Nerub(sp?) Is the wait still that long? (2-4 hours)

More than likely yes, it is still that long. I'm on AD and we generally wait 30+ minutes for WSG and 45+ for AB. But when you get in it's always the same 1-4 Horde groups who steamroll you.
Rikr 19 years ago
I was chatting with Gilae earlier, and she said she only had to wait a few minutes (albeit her first & second time in a BG) both times. I guess being on a PvP server, the wait isn't as long for the BG's. Is this correct?

The problem with being a very casual player, I need instant (or within reason) action. and 2-4 hours in que isn't for the casual player. Would I have better luck on a PvP server getting into PvP instances?

If so I would come back Horde PvP...and maybe transfer my Pally to the PvP server so I can play with the bigger boys and girls to break the grind of building up a new toon.

Sorry for the stoopud questions, but I appreciate the info. Guild Wars isn't completely horrible, but it's all I got for now. I just don't want to have to wait in long ass ques to play PvP instances. This was a big factor in me leaving the first time. I usually only get 2 hours to play at time, and I dont want to spend those 2 hours waiting in line.
Jinheim 19 years ago
Rikr
I was chatting with Gilae earlier, and she said she only had to wait a few minutes (albeit her first & second time in a BG) both times. I guess being on a PvP server, the wait isn't as long for the BG's. Is this correct?

The problem with being a very casual player, I need instant (or within reason) action. and 2-4 hours in que isn't for the casual player. Would I have better luck on a PvP server getting into PvP instances?

If so I would come back Horde PvP...and maybe transfer my Pally to the PvP server so I can play with the bigger boys and girls to break the grind of building up a new toon.

Sorry for the stoopud questions, but I appreciate the info. Guild Wars isn't completely horrible, but it's all I got for now. I just don't want to have to wait in long ass ques to play PvP instances. This was a big factor in me leaving the first time. I usually only get 2 hours to play at time, and I dont want to spend those 2 hours waiting in line.



For me, average wait time for an AB is less than 2 minutes. AV is usually less than 10 minutes. However, Azgalor is a very heavily-populated PvP server, and horde is outnumbered by alliance about 7:5. These factors mean we have very short wait times. If you switched your Paladin to a PvP server (can you even do that?), you might not have much of an improvement if Alliance vastly outnumbers Horde.
Rikr 19 years ago
Maybe that's the trick on most servers then. Must play horde to get quicker times into PvP. Well shoot. Oh and no I don't think I can move the Pally, gah! Well hopefully I can start up again after the first of the year...or sooner. Watch out Alliance! heh.
Guest 19 years ago
I play horde on Illidan and wait times are short. Alliance on my server is a bunch of punk biotechs.
Viriu 19 years ago
I play on Azjol, and depending on which BG is the .."in" one at the time, can be like 15 to 30 minutes wait list, on the short end of the scale. It just depends which BG everyone decides to flock to that week. Example, tonight was a 38 minute wait time, got in about 15 minutes later, to Arathi Basin.
Vulash 19 years ago
There are servers with a low alliance population, they are just kind of rare.
ROzbeans 19 years ago
Pfft, I started up again on Kel'Thud or whatever it's called. Fricking wait times =/ I hate pvp.
Gilae 19 years ago
Another thing to keep in mind (in case you hadn't figured this out already) on PvP servers you can't have an alliance and horde toon on the same server. You have to choose a side and stick with it for that server. That is (I believe) to avoid people using alliance toons to camp alliance players and vice versa.

I haven't played my priest on Kel'thuzad in some time. I thought that MIGHT be one of the servers where horde out number alliance but I'm not 100% on that. It has been my experience (albeit somewhat limited) that horde players on pvp servers tend to win in BG. Honestly, having only been in two BGs (and now thinking I might get addicted to them hehe) I'm still not completely certain what's going on lol. Thorakus kept saying "I think we're winning!" and I kept saying "How do you know??" But if you like PK, then PK servers allow for you to hang out with your buds and kill the occasional ganker while you're doing regular questing and leveling. Grinding still takes forever and sometimes if you get into a particularly bad zone for ganking it will take longer and can be frustrating...but it can also really pump the adrenaline.

Maybe I'll try a BG with my warrior! She's only 46 still...is that a bad level to try it?
Mileron 19 years ago
Gilae
It has been my experience (albeit somewhat limited) that horde players on pvp servers tend to win in BG.
In an equally geared battle, Horde have a slight advantage due to certain racial abilities.
When said Horde are geared with rank 8+ PVP gear (or in the case of AD's A-teams, 11+) against people with greens or standard UBRS/Strat/Scholo raid blues, it's a slaughter.

I found this on the Official WoW forums:


Racials, defense...

Lets see here.

AV
1) Horde has more guards then Alliance.

2) Horde's guards respawn faster.

3)Their defense structures have more guards in them.

4)Their defense structures are harder to get to the flag.

5)One of our Alliance towers is useless.

6)Another Alliance tower can be ninja'd without any guard agro.

7)Horde have a skinnier choke point, 3 actually, one at the very begining it's very tight, another at the next building you get to with tons of guards basicly a small doorway also tight entrance, then another tight entrance directly at their two towers.

8)Horde's base is more like a maze.

9)Alliance base is wide open.

10) Horde can pincer Stonehearth.

11)Horde's first GY, only has one spot you cannot pincer it, they fixed that, along with horde's obvious advantage of an extra graveyard which they later on made neutral.

12) Our armor turn in NPC doesn't respawn and is non elite, I forget if they fixed this or not.While horde's definately is respawns, forget I think elite aswell.

13) Their outpost (The giant building thing with a leutenant in it that gives the buffs) is stronger then ours. (Ours is a crappy caster that is easly beaten while horde's is a warrior like NPC that hurts alot more, fear AoEs, and whirlwinds.)

14) Horde racial's are better, WoTF dispelling fear and charm effects, AoE stun, stun resist rogues can't stunlock those orcs, troll doesn't count might be better in 1.9 though!While Alliance is, a "out of immobilize" ability but requires a 1.5 cast time which makes it useless, doesn't work for freeze trap either, Shadowmeld that if we move or do anything basicly it cancels it useless unless you're a hunter at a spot YOU KNOW someone is going to come by, dwarf racial only useful for rogues to get rid of bleed to be able to vanish but with all the AoEs useless anyways.

15) Shaman can do alot more useful things than paladins in AV.

Now lets see what Alliance has going for them in AV.

1)Can jump over fence to get into their base, nope they fixed that.

2) Can pincer their first GY, nope they fixed that.

3) Can cap flag at TOP of tower just outside the tower's back of their little hut but they still agro you usually.

That's pretty much it..

WSG
Horde -
1) Ghost wolf in level 20-29 bracket and above, before druids get their travel mount making horde only viable runner in that bracket.

2) Shaman can snare entire raids in the tunnels and base, it lasts even after the totem is destroyed.

3) Racials again.

4) Alot better hiding places near horde base than Alliance base, I have horde characters I know so.

Might be more but I think that's it.

Alliance-

1) Shadowmeld for hunters only it benifits.

2) Paladin can bless of freedom on flag runner, but shaman will purge and make it useless.So not really.

3) Did they fix the MC bless of protection thing that made their horde drop Alliance's flag?

That's about it.

AB

Horde-

1)Can access Blacksmith faster, proven this with just both teams running on foot towards flag.

2) Racials again.

3) Shaman bring more versatlity than Paladins.


Alliance-

1) Again shadowmeld only benifiting 1 clasls, hunter, while horde benifits all theirs classes and 3/4 of their races, maybe 4/4 once 1.9.So Alliance are outdone by this.

2) Bubble capping, been fixed though.

That's about it.

Other facts -
1) More alliance usually making Alliance more unorganized but even when they are organized horde can still usually win because their blant advantages.

2) Alliance racials suck, I'd gladly trade shadowmeld for any of the horde racials, including Beserking once 1.9 comes out as it makes it actually useful as shadowmeld sucks except for hunters.

3) 4 hour BG experience, our raid was organized was winning we were at their main base, horde tagged Stonehearth, hardly any horde was left at their base while we were all at their main last base.Eventually because of their advantage for guard respawns defenses and more numbers for guards, they delayed us long enough for horde to cap SH and get to our mainbase and win.While we had, Ram-riders, Ivus the forest lord, all the Gryphons out, while they had nothing, their blant advantage of defense structures, numbers of overwhelming zerg of guards (have screenshots), and respawn of them aswell has such a hard defense they delayed us for their raid to get to Dun baldor (sp?) and win the raid, I /AFK'd out after they capped SH.Other people in there said we lost, friends.

5) Shaman > Paladins in PvP, and pretty close to Paladin's PvE which makes overall Shaman > Paladin, also horde > alliance racials, which makes Horde overpowered.No balance.
Gilae 19 years ago
I don't trust anyone's posts who repeatedly misspell the word "blatent".

Regardless, I'm playing at the level 30-39 level and my toon is a warlock. (Let's talk warlocks and discuss disadvantages again shall we?) The differences/advantages of either side are slim next to none at the lower levels. I haven't noticed any particular organization...it's been absolute chaos on either side as far as I could see. But again, having only gone in twice and both times to Arathi, I don't really have the full picture yet

It has been my experience in most games however, that even advantages can be overcome by superior playing and mad skillz. If the alliance NEVER won, they would never play. I'm guessing that Veyah and posse have kicked more than a few asses playing BG against horde. So I'm going to go ahead and say that guy above is a bit of a whiny bitch
Cobert 19 years ago
Mileron, what you just posted it full of fucking bullshit. Alot of the faggots on the wow forums need to play both sides (up to 60) pvp on both sides, then form an opinion.

Av is based on organisation, overral morale, and the strength of npcs. Skill is also a factor, but this is ussauly even.
Cobert 19 years ago
Oh and I;ve done a shittload of AV (as horde, max exalted) and as alliance (with my 60 priest, my main).

A few things:

Racials are balanced. Stoneform owns, perception rocks, shadowmeld is hot. escape artist is getting buffed. Stop bitching.

In group pvp paladin > shaman.

In unorganised dipshit pvp, Idiot paladin who cast hoj at max range, then take 3 seconds to run up to you pray soc crits (and wastes his mana on concecrate) < idiot shaman who doesn't heal and prays shock damage will win the day

In wsg, just try and fucking stop anyone supported by a paladin. I dare you.

I fucking hate it when alliance bitch about losing. ITS YOUR OWN DAMN FAULT SO SHUT THE FUCK UP. STOP WASTING BANDWIDTH WITH YOUR IDIOTIC DRIVEL NO ONE GIVES A FLYING FUCK OTHER THEN CAPTAIN HOLY I DONTFUCKINGHEAL PALADIN WITH HIS MIGHTY 2HANDER OF OHGODPLZPROCSOC.


I think the kicker is how the really think that shaman are almost as good as paladin in PVE.
ROzbeans 19 years ago
HI2U potty mouth!
Vulash 19 years ago
I think wolfform gives them a slight edge in wsg - but not huge. Alliance has the edge in pve though
Keriath 19 years ago
I'll take someone down in WSG with a palluy guarding them. its not hard ;p

having played both pvp's at 60 its pretty balanced. if you get a PUG and its full of idiots yoru gonna lose. I dont even waste my time in PUG's anymore and just roll in guild groups.

i wish more ppl did AV on Hyjal ;/
Gilae 19 years ago
I think Elvaiz has some anger management issues.
Jardan 19 years ago
Im still playing on Kel'Thuzed Horde side .. didnt have any problem with BG wait time. Usually it depends on what time your actually trying to get into a BG but mostly wait time is max 10 mins. Now from what i saw on this server, Alliance side realy sucks, its rare that we lose a BG unless we are out numbered. so if any of you planing to play on Kel'thuzad i suggest to play on the horde side cuz we PWN.

pfft i need a new sig since i stoped playing EQ.
Gilae 19 years ago
I will be back in the sig making business in a couple of months Jardan. I'll remember to come look for you