Exactly, Nektar. Exactly.
Shay, more bad things happen to people over 18 than under, but crimes against children get more press. Why? Ratings. The media plays on people's fears.
Seriously, what the ?!!!
http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/local/story/5620408p-5048382c.html
Kyle Moore of Milton dropped his 14-year-old daughter, Melissa, off at a Tacoma bowling alley Friday night, knowing she was meeting up with older friends for a ride to a dance party in Seattle, one with a zombie theme.
He didn’t kiss her for fear of smearing her black and white makeup – a get-up that would enable her to get into the “Better Off Undead†rave for a discounted price, $15. He didn’t hug her for fear of getting the makeup on himself.
But he did tell her he loved her as she left the car, and he’s thankful for that. The next morning, the ninth-grader at Columbia Junior High in Fife became the youngest of six people massacred by a gunman who then took his own life.
She had recently been out all night for a St. Patrick’s Day rave. She always called, and she always came home when she said she would. He said he tried to be a cool dad, so that Melissa and Cameron, 16, would be open with him.
Sometimes, it worked: She admitted she smoked pot on occasion, but promised him she didn’t drink or do the harder drugs available in the rave scene.
Seriously what the hell? She was 14, going to Seattle, from Tacoma, for a party. What parent says that having their kid drive about 30 miles to go to an all night party is the a good thing? I'd rather have a resentful teenaged daughter grounded all the time rather be a cool dad. Fuck that.
Honestly, as a dad, I feel bad that someone's daughter was killed, but on the other hand as an adult who is a parent I have ZERO sympathy for the man. He knew that the situations that his daughter was getting into were going to be inherently dangerous. Damn rave party with people that were 17-22. It is people like this that should not have children, because being a parent is not about being cool or understanding, its about passing on your experiences and guiding your kids into adulthood until they are responsible enought to make their own informed decisions.
14, for fucks sakes.
Draegloth
20 years ago
Nektar
20 years ago
Old enough to vote, old enough to die for your country, you're damned old enough to drink. Back in the day my father had to prove he was 21 to purchase alcohol.
Fortunately, Quebec hasn't been tainted by American ideals for too long. And fortunately we supplied you with mass amounts of Molson beer during Prohibition.
Fortunately, Quebec hasn't been tainted by American ideals for too long. And fortunately we supplied you with mass amounts of Molson beer during Prohibition.
Dia
20 years ago
shay didnt you know life as you knew it was a lie! people are judging you and telling you where YOU lived with out even knowning you!
wait wait, arent these the same people who are bitching thats what people are doing to the dad in the article? holy hypocrits.
shut the fuck up for crying out loud. <- there now i can be offensive like everyone else! Im gonna say everyones just scared and hiding behind ego's but thats certainly not what im doing either, theres no way both sides could be right ON LY ME ME ME!
wait wait, arent these the same people who are bitching thats what people are doing to the dad in the article? holy hypocrits.
shut the fuck up for crying out loud. <- there now i can be offensive like everyone else! Im gonna say everyones just scared and hiding behind ego's but thats certainly not what im doing either, theres no way both sides could be right ON LY ME ME ME!
Vulash
20 years ago
Actually I've thought most of this thread has been pretty much a good debate. The first real immature post I've seen that makes no valid points is your last one Dia. They were discussing life in general for a majority of people during different time periods - it has/had nothign to do with Shay's personal stories. Your hypocrisy accusations aren't really valid.
There were plenty of "bad" things happening back in the day - There simply wasn't a money driven media to focus on and cause fear and panic. Look at Canada - a nation with a far lower crime rate, and also with a media that doesn't soley focus on murders and rapes of young children, and try to beat it in our heads that the world isn't safe. On top of that accidents back then were far more serious since they couldn't be treated as easily, and transportation to get a hospital wasn't as developed. Also kids back then weren't kept as bubbled in the fact they were allowed to play with unsafe toys, and had to do dangerous work daily. I think these are the types of points they are trying to make - not anything pertaining directly to one persons experiences.
There were plenty of "bad" things happening back in the day - There simply wasn't a money driven media to focus on and cause fear and panic. Look at Canada - a nation with a far lower crime rate, and also with a media that doesn't soley focus on murders and rapes of young children, and try to beat it in our heads that the world isn't safe. On top of that accidents back then were far more serious since they couldn't be treated as easily, and transportation to get a hospital wasn't as developed. Also kids back then weren't kept as bubbled in the fact they were allowed to play with unsafe toys, and had to do dangerous work daily. I think these are the types of points they are trying to make - not anything pertaining directly to one persons experiences.
Draegloth
20 years ago
thanks for making my point, Dia.
Dia
20 years ago
i repeat only me me me
Sebastionleo
20 years ago
I was raised with parents that let me pretty much do what i wanted (i say was because they realized the problem with this and ATM im grounded lol)
It was all good for a while, but after freshman and sophomore years, high school got harder to do well in without devoting time to school work outside of school, and my grades started dropping.
After failing 2 classes last semester my mom got mad, but she believed me when i said i'd do better, so interims roll around and i have 3 E's. Even though they were there because i'd been gone a few days and didnt have a few things graded, she didnt believe me and grounded me til my next report card.
I realize now, that i probably wont be able to get into the college i've wanted to go to since i was a freshman, that i fucked up, but its too late now.
Anyways, my point: Parents who are lenient about stuff are cool, my mom's like my best friend, but be sure your kids are doing your work, or they'll fuck up like that lol.
It was all good for a while, but after freshman and sophomore years, high school got harder to do well in without devoting time to school work outside of school, and my grades started dropping.
After failing 2 classes last semester my mom got mad, but she believed me when i said i'd do better, so interims roll around and i have 3 E's. Even though they were there because i'd been gone a few days and didnt have a few things graded, she didnt believe me and grounded me til my next report card.
I realize now, that i probably wont be able to get into the college i've wanted to go to since i was a freshman, that i fucked up, but its too late now.
Anyways, my point: Parents who are lenient about stuff are cool, my mom's like my best friend, but be sure your kids are doing your work, or they'll fuck up like that lol.
ROzbeans
20 years ago
You can probably transfer into the school you wanted to go to if you do well in a community college for 2 years. Cripes, I thought you were already in college. SO YOUNG!
Vulash
20 years ago
Summer school changes one F to an A/B then your entire senior year can be a 3.0-4.0 that will easily make up for 2 bad semesters if your freshman and sophomore grades were even respectable. That should put you over a 2.5 which will get you into any public school easily and quite a few private ones. You just won't be able to go Ivy league, but there are still plenty of good schools out there that aren't that demanding to get into. Just find the ones that are really good at what you want to go into.
Jinheim
20 years ago
What the fuck is going on in this thread?
Vex
20 years ago
you guys need to tone it down and stop being so hostile :P this isn't Solrohate.
Draegloth
20 years ago
This was a lively debate until Dia threw her little hissy fit.
Mylec
20 years ago
Hell, SolRoHate isn't even SolRoHate, anymore :x
Vex
you guys need to tone it down and stop being so hostile :P this isn't Solrohate.
Hell, SolRoHate isn't even SolRoHate, anymore :x
Xandare
20 years ago
i'm with Vex.. I'm deeply offended by this thread!
...I haven't been mentioned once! of all the nerve!
...I haven't been mentioned once! of all the nerve!
ROzbeans
20 years ago
Hell, I don't even read that board. =x
Mylec
Hell, SolRoHate isn't even SolRoHate, anymore :x
Hell, I don't even read that board. =x
Maelgrim
20 years ago
Solro hate is a pale shadow of the first board, i dont even bother to read. The fire has gone out, they should let it die.
Vulash
20 years ago
There is a new one?
ROzbeans
20 years ago
Linus set up solrorate.org - I think it is.
Addi
20 years ago
Somebody's read The Power of Now.