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Round 2 /OOC
*Booming God Voice* Lynn took a header into a console! Discuss! *Booming God Voice*
Tor
17 years ago
I'm around off and on this weekend - if anyone wants to talk shop, I'm open to it, but my posting will be limited until Sunday. I left my contact info, but don't have my bio dissections complete just yet. Cheers!
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*edit - I know I have my AV in my sig spot. I like it better there. So shut up yo face about it, sucka, and say hi to Spock.
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lemmy101
17 years ago
The most obvious thing that stands out to me is:
So at least one (the speaker) and probably 2 of the mafia are older than Lynn, and this seems a logical place to start looking... Let's see, the ages range from 6 - 13. I think we can safely ditch everyone the same age as Lynn.
I suppose we could go more than that, the culprits are likely to be older, but then a year is a big difference to a kid so that may be misleading, I don't know... nevertheless I'm looking at people particularly 10 years old and over...
Hate to say it but can't help seeing second favourite for lynching Mr. Emilio in the highest category, interesting indeed though I guess that could be coincidence. Of course I'm not far off on 12, which I should point out lest I look like I'm trying to gloss over the fact Let the fact hunt commence!
EDIT: Also a reoccurance of stealth:
Curious as wasn't this was an element of the SK killing yesterday?.... Who were the suspects on the stealth side of things again?
Splazmonnotroid .... standing very still -- he was pretty quiet last night... didn't vote or comment on the OOC thread but we shouldn't discout him just because he wasn't vocal about things, as if he's mafia he'll still show up in the hits...
Emilio ... Damn, I started hunting thru the profiles after quoting that passage from the kill... sorry Blackrabbit this is not intentionally a witchhunt, but it's not looking good that Emilio's name keeps popping up...! I didn't vote you last time around as I wasn't convinced that your four mafia "faux pas" was enough... but I'm starting to see more and more pointing to you now...
Also, Ezekial Rainsfeld, Teresa Sol + Eduardo Perceptibule Jones are all described as being quiet, but I think this is meant more as in their social nature than any specific traits of being stealthy...
“She doesn’t know nothin’. Look at her – they givin’ uniforms to babies these days.”
I suppose we could go more than that, the culprits are likely to be older, but then a year is a big difference to a kid so that may be misleading, I don't know... nevertheless I'm looking at people particularly 10 years old and over...
Hate to say it but can't help seeing second favourite for lynching Mr. Emilio in the highest category, interesting indeed though I guess that could be coincidence. Of course I'm not far off on 12, which I should point out lest I look like I'm trying to gloss over the fact
Let the fact hunt commence! EDIT: Also a reoccurance of stealth:
I would guess someone surprised her from behind; there’s plenty of room in here for someone to hide unseen.
Splazmonnotroid .... standing very still -- he was pretty quiet last night... didn't vote or comment on the OOC thread but we shouldn't discout him just because he wasn't vocal about things, as if he's mafia he'll still show up in the hits...
Emilio ... Damn, I started hunting thru the profiles after quoting that passage from the kill... sorry Blackrabbit this is not intentionally a witchhunt, but it's not looking good that Emilio's name keeps popping up...! I didn't vote you last time around as I wasn't convinced that your four mafia "faux pas" was enough... but I'm starting to see more and more pointing to you now...
Also, Ezekial Rainsfeld, Teresa Sol + Eduardo Perceptibule Jones are all described as being quiet, but I think this is meant more as in their social nature than any specific traits of being stealthy...
MashPotato
17 years ago
Or, since it was meant to be an insult, it might not be so much of an age-thing as it is a sense of superiority... perhaps a person with a big ego, or lots of self-confidence.
lemmy101;86449
The most obvious thing that stands out to me is:
So at least one (the speaker) and probably 2 of the mafia are older than Lynn, and this seems a logical place to start looking... Let's see, the ages range from 6 - 13. I think we can safely ditch everyone the same age as Lynn.
Or, since it was meant to be an insult, it might not be so much of an age-thing as it is a sense of superiority... perhaps a person with a big ego, or lots of self-confidence.
pooka
17 years ago
Dang, "one of our own", eh? They aren't going to put it in black and white, but it sounds like Dantes was probably innocent.
pooka
17 years ago
Just a note on the last page of yesterday's OOC Pharren was complaining about reading at work. If you use TAC light and block all images in Firefox (actually, disallow the automatic loading of images in tools) it works okay. Then I have an explorer window open at the same time if I'm going to post.
CaptainBinky
17 years ago
Okay, here's what I find interesting after that mafia hit.
This is the sum total of Britt a.k.a. Lynn's accusations in the ooc thread...
Not a lot in here which hasn't been mentioned by lots of other people - certainly nothing to draw attention to being a necessary mafia hit.
The only antagonising thing Lynn did was vote for Emilio in the lynching.
Mafia bumping off people voting against their own, or a ruse to convince us that Emilio is mafia when he's not?
This is the sum total of Britt a.k.a. Lynn's accusations in the ooc thread...
Lynn
So far to me Emilio and Domo have the most evidence pointing at them.
With Emilio what stood out the most to me was the persuasion, his ability to wiggle his way out of trouble by blaming his brother. Making the murder look like a suicide really coinsides with this to me.
With Domo the "but I will live on as the shepard fo deat." really stands out. The problem is the spelling of Shepard. I read earlier that Sheppard was spelled this way purpousfully. So the mud is thickened.
Another person who has been poked at a bunch is Dantes. The Parkour puts a light on in my wittle noggin, all the sneaking around in the death scene would fit. But then I haven't read through the bios yet, so that is deffinately a very dim light.
Not a lot in here which hasn't been mentioned by lots of other people - certainly nothing to draw attention to being a necessary mafia hit.
The only antagonising thing Lynn did was vote for Emilio in the lynching.
Mafia bumping off people voting against their own, or a ruse to convince us that Emilio is mafia when he's not?
pooka
17 years ago
You know, I was just a Chuck E Cheese today. Do we have anyone from Rat army? Emilio. The only other thought I have, which I'm hesitant to bring up given the friction between us yesterday, is that Chuck E. Cheese's band has a duck (Gwendal Ulrich) and a dog (me, but I'm a townie.)
Well, Emilio being Mafia would be consistent with one voting strategy, which is to run a race between two suspects and then stick the innocent guy toward the end.
And of course Emilio is a sharpshooter, and the mafia scene shows 2 children conspiring. Emilio is a twin.
P.S. I was putting this together while the post above was posted. I did not see it first.
Well, Emilio being Mafia would be consistent with one voting strategy, which is to run a race between two suspects and then stick the innocent guy toward the end.
And of course Emilio is a sharpshooter, and the mafia scene shows 2 children conspiring. Emilio is a twin.
P.S. I was putting this together while the post above was posted. I did not see it first.
pharren
17 years ago
there MUST be only two mafia members. i have never seen a case where only SOME of the mafia are involved in a mafia hit. and if thats not enough to convince you, they come out and call the two soldiers "The Battle School Mafia".
there was a mistake when roles were originally assigned and some people were able to see the sekrit mafia forum. i can only assume they were able to see who was mafia, and therefore knew how many members there were. it wouldnt be a bad idea for the mods to change up the number of mafia when they re-issued roles, just to keep everybody guessing.
though there may be another explaination, this is what im sticking with:
Dantes was mafia
there are two mafia members remaining
i am awesome
ill go through it all again in a minute to begin the search for clues
The two arguing soldiers
The two soldiers, both from Dragon
“I know you two aren’t the only ones asking questions.”
she simply shouted out loudly enough for the two soldiers, and anyone else nearby, to hear her.
she would have seen the profound effect her statement had on the two soldiers
The Battle School Mafia closed in on Lynn
there MUST be only two mafia members. i have never seen a case where only SOME of the mafia are involved in a mafia hit. and if thats not enough to convince you, they come out and call the two soldiers "The Battle School Mafia".
there was a mistake when roles were originally assigned and some people were able to see the sekrit mafia forum. i can only assume they were able to see who was mafia, and therefore knew how many members there were. it wouldnt be a bad idea for the mods to change up the number of mafia when they re-issued roles, just to keep everybody guessing.
though there may be another explaination, this is what im sticking with:
Dantes was mafia there are two mafia members remaining i am awesomeill go through it all again in a minute to begin the search for clues
pharren
17 years ago
actually i have no evidence saying that Dantes was mafia. its just that i am so convinced there are only two mafia, and have a very hard time believing that in a game this size, there were only two mafia to begin with, which makes it the only logical conclusion. for now. imo.
CaptainBinky
17 years ago
Would the Godfather be involved in the hits? Is this 2 mafia soldiers one of whom is the Godfather, or 2 mafia soldiers with a third Godfather lurking in the background issuing orders..?
But I think your logic is correct... there's no way that this bit last time...
...can possibly refer to just 2 people. So it does rather look like the choice of Dante in the lynch was correct.
But I think your logic is correct... there's no way that this bit last time...
Mafia message
The ones who called themselves The Battle School Mafia trickled into the room, lining up against the far wall...
A hand clapped down on his shoulders and the mafia crowded around him once more.
...can possibly refer to just 2 people. So it does rather look like the choice of Dante in the lynch was correct.
Blackrabbit
17 years ago
Well for starters, even if the townies were correct in lynching Dantes last night, if there are 2 remaining mafia, then that would be three to start and I cannot believe there are that few mafia. I'm sticking with my initial assumption and guessing we're aiming at at least 4 of them. Maybe 5. But definitely four, based on past mafias.
That said, while I don't look forward to battling accusations again all day today, I will say yes, it sure looks like there are a lot of 'sneaky' references. That also said, we're in the military and a certain amount of stealth and/or tactical ability is expected of us. The rat thing... well, I thought Chuck E Cheese was a mouse not a rat (I've never been there, so correct me if I'm wrong) but even so, I am not the only other person to have come from a rat army.
Michael Andrews/Pharren also did... a fact which ABAY/Pooka neglected to point out.
In addition, from the first hit, as was mentioned, there are many "foot" references that point toward Michael Andrews. The shuffling of feet, marching, walking in single file, all seem to hint at someone with (as it was put before, lol) a "foot fetish"... but the closest match there was Andrews' bio, with the shoe dropping at the end and the shuffling foot reference.
So, if you suspect me (and I agree, you'd be silly not to. Even I think I look guilty and I know I'm not), you should have equal cause to suspect Michael Andrews.
In addition, it is suspect that ABAY "doesn't like to go straight for the SK." Generally, the folks who want the SK to stick around at first are the Mafia... as pointed out yesterday, the SK is helping the Mafia so long as the ratio of townies to mafia remains greater.
So for starters, today I am looking at Michael Andrews and ABAY for clues. In addition, as has been bandied about several times, my character has a twin. I think reading both bios would be enlightening.
That said, while I don't look forward to battling accusations again all day today, I will say yes, it sure looks like there are a lot of 'sneaky' references. That also said, we're in the military and a certain amount of stealth and/or tactical ability is expected of us. The rat thing... well, I thought Chuck E Cheese was a mouse not a rat (I've never been there, so correct me if I'm wrong) but even so, I am not the only other person to have come from a rat army.
Michael Andrews/Pharren also did... a fact which ABAY/Pooka neglected to point out.
In addition, from the first hit, as was mentioned, there are many "foot" references that point toward Michael Andrews. The shuffling of feet, marching, walking in single file, all seem to hint at someone with (as it was put before, lol) a "foot fetish"... but the closest match there was Andrews' bio, with the shoe dropping at the end and the shuffling foot reference.
So, if you suspect me (and I agree, you'd be silly not to. Even I think I look guilty and I know I'm not), you should have equal cause to suspect Michael Andrews.
In addition, it is suspect that ABAY "doesn't like to go straight for the SK." Generally, the folks who want the SK to stick around at first are the Mafia... as pointed out yesterday, the SK is helping the Mafia so long as the ratio of townies to mafia remains greater.
So for starters, today I am looking at Michael Andrews and ABAY for clues. In addition, as has been bandied about several times, my character has a twin. I think reading both bios would be enlightening.
Jinheim
17 years ago
Not bad, for a gnome. However, I agree with blackrabbit that there could not be just three mafia to start with - there are too many townies. The things you pointed out suggest that we started with three plus a godfather, and now there are only two "enforcers" (or whatever you want to call the mafia that aren't the godfather) left.
pharren;86463
though there may be another explaination, this is what im sticking with:
ill go through it all again in a minute to begin the search for clues
Not bad, for a gnome. However, I agree with blackrabbit that there could not be just three mafia to start with - there are too many townies. The things you pointed out suggest that we started with three plus a godfather, and now there are only two "enforcers" (or whatever you want to call the mafia that aren't the godfather) left.
lemmy101
17 years ago
Hmmm... good point, never thought of that... Also ABAY is 13 years old IIRC...
Blackrabbit;86466
In addition, it is suspect that ABAY "doesn't like to go straight for the SK." Generally, the folks who want the SK to stick around at first are the Mafia... as pointed out yesterday, the SK is helping the Mafia so long as the ratio of townies to mafia remains greater.
Hmmm... good point, never thought of that... Also ABAY is 13 years old IIRC...
pharren
17 years ago
actually, i was suggesting that there were only 3, total. yes, it is an unusual number, but like i said, the number and names of the mafia members were compromised due to a forum error, hence the reissue of roles. perhaps the mods felt it prudent to switch things up more than just changing the names. it would remove any advantage the people who saw that hidden forum had. hell, i wouldnt be surprised if there were two SKs to make up for it, though im sure we would have noticed from the day 1 kill if there were.
the Chuck E. Cheese thing is DEFINATELY a clue. no doubt about it. this is a futuristic setting. who would have imagined something as (pardon the pun) cheesy as Chuck E. Cheese would still be around? not me, thats for sure. thats why it sticks out.
The things you pointed out suggest that we started with three plus a godfather
actually, i was suggesting that there were only 3, total. yes, it is an unusual number, but like i said, the number and names of the mafia members were compromised due to a forum error, hence the reissue of roles. perhaps the mods felt it prudent to switch things up more than just changing the names. it would remove any advantage the people who saw that hidden forum had. hell, i wouldnt be surprised if there were two SKs to make up for it, though im sure we would have noticed from the day 1 kill if there were.
the Chuck E. Cheese thing is DEFINATELY a clue. no doubt about it. this is a futuristic setting. who would have imagined something as (pardon the pun) cheesy as Chuck E. Cheese would still be around? not me, thats for sure. thats why it sticks out.
CaptainBinky
17 years ago
Does knowing the number of mafia at the start give any real advantage? Would it matter if there were the same number this time as last time as long as who was mafia was mixed up?
So while I completely agree with your logic as to why there would be 2 mafia soldiers left, I don't see why we shouldn't ignore the possibility that there's a 3rd Godfather lurking in the background.
So while I completely agree with your logic as to why there would be 2 mafia soldiers left, I don't see why we shouldn't ignore the possibility that there's a 3rd Godfather lurking in the background.
pharren
17 years ago
any information youre 100% certain on is helpful. when you start looking at the way people vote and the things they discuss in the ooc threads, its handy to know how many guilty parties youre looking for, lest you become trapped in some cycle of "omg but if he said that then she might have been lying to cover for him when he said she said we said no! OMG" and think everyone is guilty :P
its a possibility. my experience doesnt add up to much since ive only played twice, but from what ive seen, ALL of the mafia members are present during a kill. maybe someone whos played more than i have can verify or correct this.
Does knowing the number of mafia at the start give any real advantage? Would it matter if there were the same number this time as last time as long as who was mafia was mixed up?
any information youre 100% certain on is helpful. when you start looking at the way people vote and the things they discuss in the ooc threads, its handy to know how many guilty parties youre looking for, lest you become trapped in some cycle of "omg but if he said that then she might have been lying to cover for him when he said she said we said no! OMG" and think everyone is guilty :P
I don't see why we shouldn't ignore the possibility that there's a 3rd Godfather lurking in the background.
its a possibility. my experience doesnt add up to much since ive only played twice, but from what ive seen, ALL of the mafia members are present during a kill. maybe someone whos played more than i have can verify or correct this.
pharren
17 years ago
PS: also from what ive seen, clues as to the number of mafia members remaining usually occur immediately after the death of one mafia member.
MEC
17 years ago
First, I'd like to say this:
I have seen kills where not all of the mafia members are mentioned. Also, just because only two soldiers were arguing, does not mean that they are the only ones who are the mafia, there may have been additional members who were silent. However I do think that because of the group having to agree and nod at each other, rather than one taking charge, may mean that Dan was the Godfather.
I definitely think that Chuck E. Cheese is a clue, I mean, who's ever heard of an adult that thinks of Chuck E. Cheese before Dave & Busters?
I have seen kills where not all of the mafia members are mentioned. Also, just because only two soldiers were arguing, does not mean that they are the only ones who are the mafia, there may have been additional members who were silent. However I do think that because of the group having to agree and nod at each other, rather than one taking charge, may mean that Dan was the Godfather.
I definitely think that Chuck E. Cheese is a clue, I mean, who's ever heard of an adult that thinks of Chuck E. Cheese before Dave & Busters?
MEC
17 years ago
This part caught my eye, it reminded me of Eduardo's belief in his fictional world, possibly Domo as well.
His colleague flinched, repulsed, but recovered quickly. “All just guesses. Maybe we’ll never know…”
‘You mean you don’t –want- to know,” Dimak thought but did not say.
“Right. We may never know.”
This part caught my eye, it reminded me of Eduardo's belief in his fictional world, possibly Domo as well.
Den
17 years ago
Don't forget all the clues that pointed to Domo yesterday, remain today as well.