I think there are three good clues on Emilio. It is so clear to me, it probably means they will be the SK hit and we'll be starting from zero tomorrow. Sigh. And I won't be online at all tomorrow.
I've explained before why I didn't favor combing for SK clues. Mainly, I didn't think the mods would hand them to us on a silver platter the first day.
Is Emilio's twin in the game? I guess that is something I could have missed.
Well, if Emilio does get hit by the SK, then my assessment of guilt will change slightly because the mods might just be playing with us. And sorry about the miss on the other Rat (Pharren, you say?) It wasn't intentional. I would hope including myself in the list would be some indicator of my effort to read the clues as best I can.
[I decided my reasons for voting Domo were lame]
And when did 13 become a clue? 23:00 = 11. Gosh! [/Napoleon Dynamite]
Well, this is probably my last check in before the next lynch. I don't know if there will be a provision for me to vote, but if there were, I would vote for Emilio.
Round 2 /OOC
*Booming God Voice* Lynn took a header into a console! Discuss! *Booming God Voice*
pooka
18 years ago
pharren
18 years ago
13 is a clue because the kill threads lead us to believe the killers are older than the people theyre killing. 14 is the oldest age allowed, and i dont think any of the Dragon army members are 14. also, it would in theory make them more physically capable of overpowering their victims.
Keera
18 years ago
I am sorry but you are lame. Could you not possibly fathom this could be a strategy and everything he says could possibly be a lie? Who says Pharren is even my friend? Could he be making stuff up? I could go on and on. Nice try though I applaud your effort.. really.
Den;86496
There has been a ton of evidence already posted. I don't feel like rehashing it now. If you won't see it now, me restating it won't help.
But, come on...'I can't point the finger at my friend, since I'm the one who brought them into the game...' What absurdity.
I am sorry but you are lame. Could you not possibly fathom this could be a strategy and everything he says could possibly be a lie? Who says Pharren is even my friend? Could he be making stuff up? I could go on and on. Nice try though I applaud your effort.. really.
MashPotato
18 years ago
This subject has already kind of passed before, but while I also thought the mafia was down to two, the phrase "pack of predators" leads me to think that while 2 of the mafia were actually interacting with Lynn, there must have been more than 2 at the table (I've never seen the word "pack" being used to refer to only 2 objects ;)).
This might indicate that some members of the mafia are either of a less sociable type, or are simply "out of it", so they don't interact with the rest of the mafia that much.
Had she turned around, she would have seen the profound effect her statement had on the two soldiers. Stricken looks were quickly masked. Nods were exchanged. Quickly and silently, like a pack of predators, The Battle School Mafia closed in on Lynn, tailing behind her as she trashed the scant remains of her lunch and left the mess hall.
This subject has already kind of passed before, but while I also thought the mafia was down to two, the phrase "pack of predators" leads me to think that while 2 of the mafia were actually interacting with Lynn, there must have been more than 2 at the table (I've never seen the word "pack" being used to refer to only 2 objects ;)).
This might indicate that some members of the mafia are either of a less sociable type, or are simply "out of it", so they don't interact with the rest of the mafia that much.
pharren
18 years ago
i dunno, the number two was mentioned 5 times very specifically referring to the mafia. its hard to argue against that.
MashPotato
18 years ago
Not exactly... the number two was mentioned several times with respect to the two soldiers; when referring specifically to the mafia, the word "pack" was used.
pharren;86508
i dunno, the number two was mentioned 5 times very specifically referring to the mafia. its hard to argue against that.
Not exactly... the number two was mentioned several times with respect to the two soldiers; when referring specifically to the mafia, the word "pack" was used.
pharren
18 years ago
what i mean is that during the confrontation it was made pretty clear that there were only two people there (other than Lynn), by virtue of being mentioned 5 times, and then they were directly referred to as "The Battle School Mafia". thats pretty strong evidence and based entirely on the kill scene. no assembly required.
pharren
18 years ago
notice how im ignoring the "pack" thing because i cant come up with anything to counter it :X
Blackrabbit
18 years ago
Woah hold up Jin... I didn't say I wasn't sneaky and devious. Hell yes, I am. Horribly. I adore it. My style however, does not include telling multiple players "Oh Jinheim told me Den is mafia."
I am absolutely sneaky. I'm not denying THAT. I was saying I don't appreciate someone telling blatant lies about my actions. I have approached several people in this game, and every single one I've talked to I've backed up my point with evidence, whether real or conjectured. At no point have I claimed to have been told a lie by someone else, or spread flase rumors. THAT is what I was saying wasn't my style.
I'm sorry my reputation for being sneaky is going to lead to my drawing undue suspicion. ABAY claims to have three good clues against me, and frankly, I can't repudiate them because I'm not exactly sure what they are. I can point out, however, that if you look at her last post she has pretty much admitted to not have even read my bio all the way.
In addition, like I mentioned before, my character is stealthy, yes, but also a sharpshooter and a smooth talker. None of the kills ahve reflected that and have, in fact, been quite blunt and lacking in precision, and in addition, the Mafia are debating with each other in the most recent hit; not being smooth-talked.
I have not denied that the sneaky shit refers to me. I agree it could. I could also scream "I'm a townie" ad nauseum, but I don't see the point. Y'all will lynch me or not lynch me, as you will. I have stated my arguments and my defenses.
If I have backup in the form of other players, then I am grateful for it, although I didn't ask for it. And is my behavior suspicious? Because I decided at the start of this game to play as I've played every game... by flapping my big mouth and calling it like I see it, right or wrong. I thought to do otherwise would have been far more suspicious.
So, there you have my whys and wherefores. Lynch me if you like, but you will be lynching someone who is neither Mafia nor SK, regardless of how big my mouth is. :P
Can I just take a moment to quote the famous, "If they lynch me, I was right!" line?
And, as one more note, if lynching me will allow you all to get to work and actually nail someone who deserves it, then please do. I could be having sex right now, kkthxla. :P
I am absolutely sneaky. I'm not denying THAT. I was saying I don't appreciate someone telling blatant lies about my actions. I have approached several people in this game, and every single one I've talked to I've backed up my point with evidence, whether real or conjectured. At no point have I claimed to have been told a lie by someone else, or spread flase rumors. THAT is what I was saying wasn't my style.
I'm sorry my reputation for being sneaky is going to lead to my drawing undue suspicion. ABAY claims to have three good clues against me, and frankly, I can't repudiate them because I'm not exactly sure what they are. I can point out, however, that if you look at her last post she has pretty much admitted to not have even read my bio all the way.
pooka
Is Emilio's twin in the game? I guess that is something I could have missed.
In addition, like I mentioned before, my character is stealthy, yes, but also a sharpshooter and a smooth talker. None of the kills ahve reflected that and have, in fact, been quite blunt and lacking in precision, and in addition, the Mafia are debating with each other in the most recent hit; not being smooth-talked.
I have not denied that the sneaky shit refers to me. I agree it could. I could also scream "I'm a townie" ad nauseum, but I don't see the point. Y'all will lynch me or not lynch me, as you will. I have stated my arguments and my defenses.
If I have backup in the form of other players, then I am grateful for it, although I didn't ask for it. And is my behavior suspicious? Because I decided at the start of this game to play as I've played every game... by flapping my big mouth and calling it like I see it, right or wrong. I thought to do otherwise would have been far more suspicious.
So, there you have my whys and wherefores. Lynch me if you like, but you will be lynching someone who is neither Mafia nor SK, regardless of how big my mouth is. :P
Can I just take a moment to quote the famous, "If they lynch me, I was right!" line?
And, as one more note, if lynching me will allow you all to get to work and actually nail someone who deserves it, then please do. I could be having sex right now, kkthxla. :P
Mike
18 years ago
OK I’ve been doing some thinking (insert excited chattering here)
Now before anyone gets to thinking I’m accusing, I’m not. I might not vote this way at all but I’m starting to really think Michael Andrews is mafia. We have the clues I posted earlier (some of which are weak)
And we have the pack reference that I wish I had caught! And Michael was in Dog Army. Dogs do travel in packs.
What really makes me wonder is this sharp shooting clue that has been looked at so closely… I don’t see it in the hits. Where I do see it is in day one’s OOC posted by Pharren (sorry Pharren!)
This is a perfectly innocent supposition, heck I probably would have made it. It’s probably an honest mistake, again I probably would have made it. But what if it isn’t? What if its mafia trying to throw us off? Dang fine job if it is.
My other though goes back to my original OOC post today and its Eduardo he started out as a very viable suspect yesterday and again today we have the fantasy and the game tie in personally I think he’s starting to look stronger
Finally, and again I go back to yesterday’s hit (apparently I feel smarter in retrospect) when going after Pinaul the mafia emphasized winning was important. In the books, this was often an attitude of commanders, do we have any former commanders? Former toon leaders?
Now before anyone gets to thinking I’m accusing, I’m not. I might not vote this way at all but I’m starting to really think Michael Andrews is mafia. We have the clues I posted earlier (some of which are weak)
Michael Andrews – 12 and he latest army was Rat (so yes Chuck E. Cheese is a mouse but let’s not split hairs. A rodent is a rodent… which means we might want to consider Ferret but that seems a bit of a stretch). Another stretch but he mentions thinking outside the box and when I think of joy sticks I think of the good old Atari ones and they always had a black box base and then we also have yesterday’s foot/feet references
And we have the pack reference that I wish I had caught! And Michael was in Dog Army. Dogs do travel in packs.
What really makes me wonder is this sharp shooting clue that has been looked at so closely… I don’t see it in the hits. Where I do see it is in day one’s OOC posted by Pharren (sorry Pharren!)
“You see his standings? Little weirdo spends all this time playing the mind game, can’t shoot to save his life
the comment about Pinual not being able to shoot. that’s not the only skill valued in a battle school soldier, so why would they act like it is? perhaps the speaker is an expert marksman, and looks down on anybody with inferior skill. what marksmen are there?
This is a perfectly innocent supposition, heck I probably would have made it. It’s probably an honest mistake, again I probably would have made it. But what if it isn’t? What if its mafia trying to throw us off? Dang fine job if it is.
My other though goes back to my original OOC post today and its Eduardo he started out as a very viable suspect yesterday and again today we have the fantasy and the game tie in personally I think he’s starting to look stronger
Finally, and again I go back to yesterday’s hit (apparently I feel smarter in retrospect) when going after Pinaul the mafia emphasized winning was important. In the books, this was often an attitude of commanders, do we have any former commanders? Former toon leaders?
MEC
18 years ago
Or it could be a ploy.
What I am mentioning is how Eduardo does not know about the battle school, and how he doesn't want to know. He's stuck in his fantasy world. I only mentioned Domo because he seems rather delusional as well.
I don't really see much pointing to Emilio and Armando, however blackrabbit's extreme defensiveness does seem a bit suspicious, but it could be a result of just being accused. I also think a lot of the points in armando's post are incredibly weak (IE. Atari).
Although now that I think of it, the fact that two soldiers arguing could be compared to how Armando and Emilio are twins. But I doubt the mods would have placed them both in the mafia, the temptation to pit them against eachother would be too much.
I find it interesting that Emilio voted for Domo... suggests to me that only one of them are probably mafia, or maybe neither of them are?
Or it could be a ploy.
I really don't see how these quotes have anything to do with a fictional world. Could you enlighten me?
What I am mentioning is how Eduardo does not know about the battle school, and how he doesn't want to know. He's stuck in his fantasy world. I only mentioned Domo because he seems rather delusional as well.
I don't really see much pointing to Emilio and Armando, however blackrabbit's extreme defensiveness does seem a bit suspicious, but it could be a result of just being accused. I also think a lot of the points in armando's post are incredibly weak (IE. Atari).
Although now that I think of it, the fact that two soldiers arguing could be compared to how Armando and Emilio are twins. But I doubt the mods would have placed them both in the mafia, the temptation to pit them against eachother would be too much.
Mike
18 years ago
*grins* I'll be the first to admit they are weak. Often my clues are very stream of consciousness. Take them or leave them, the game would be no fun if we didn't have different views would it?
MEC
18 years ago
I'm not saying you're dumb for thinking of them, it's actually good to be "thinking outside of the Atari" :P
There are a couple interesting prospects though.
There are a couple interesting prospects though.
pharren
18 years ago
it is my understanding that they draw names out of a hat, literally, when choosing the roles. which again is why i think using "evidence" like Domo's psychosis or Talia's anger is taking a step in the wrong direction.
about Andrews and the Rat army thing, and people probably wont buy this, but... it is true, and Verileah can verify it if she so chooses.
when i originally wrote my bio, i wrote it at work, on paper. my plan was to have Andrews as a commander in a mediocre army, and then show him in a situation where everybody thinks he is about to get kicked out. instead, he is transferred to a less-than-mediocre army, much to everybodys surprise. i do not have my copy of the book - it is in north carolina and i am in florida. i had to invent Armadillo army because Verileah (who was doing my research for me, thanks!) and the Enders Game wikipedia entry couldnt determine which army was mediocre and which army was in 2nd place. i chose Rat army because you can infer from the book that they werent bad.
THEN!!
i found out that everybody was being transferred to Dragon army, so i had to change my story. i edited my bio to reflect that, removing the "youre being transferred to rat army, effective immediately" and changing it to "youre being transferred to a new army, effective immediately." i forgot to change the 'Former Armies" section.
so you see... Andrews was never in Rat army.
however, that doesnt mean the mods would catch the mistake, and wouldnt prevent them from using that as a clue thinking Andrews really WAS in Rat... if Andrews were mafia, which he isnt.
But I doubt the mods would have placed them both in the mafia
it is my understanding that they draw names out of a hat, literally, when choosing the roles. which again is why i think using "evidence" like Domo's psychosis or Talia's anger is taking a step in the wrong direction.
about Andrews and the Rat army thing, and people probably wont buy this, but... it is true, and Verileah can verify it if she so chooses.
when i originally wrote my bio, i wrote it at work, on paper. my plan was to have Andrews as a commander in a mediocre army, and then show him in a situation where everybody thinks he is about to get kicked out. instead, he is transferred to a less-than-mediocre army, much to everybodys surprise. i do not have my copy of the book - it is in north carolina and i am in florida. i had to invent Armadillo army because Verileah (who was doing my research for me, thanks!) and the Enders Game wikipedia entry couldnt determine which army was mediocre and which army was in 2nd place. i chose Rat army because you can infer from the book that they werent bad.
THEN!!
i found out that everybody was being transferred to Dragon army, so i had to change my story. i edited my bio to reflect that, removing the "youre being transferred to rat army, effective immediately" and changing it to "youre being transferred to a new army, effective immediately." i forgot to change the 'Former Armies" section.
so you see... Andrews was never in Rat army.
however, that doesnt mean the mods would catch the mistake, and wouldnt prevent them from using that as a clue thinking Andrews really WAS in Rat... if Andrews were mafia, which he isnt.
nickenstien
18 years ago
Awwww!! Is somebodyyyyy tired ? ;)
Keera;86506
I am sorry but you are lame. Could you not possibly fathom this could be a strategy and everything he says could possibly be a lie? Who says Pharren is even my friend? Could he be making stuff up? I could go on and on. Nice try though I applaud your effort.. really.
Awwww!! Is somebodyyyyy tired ? ;)
Keera
18 years ago
Gotcha I understand now. Sorry sometimes im a bit dense. =)
MEC;86515
Or it could be a ploy.
What I am mentioning is how Eduardo does not know about the battle school, and how he doesn't want to know. He's stuck in his fantasy world. I only mentioned Domo because he seems rather delusional as well.
I don't really see much pointing to Emilio and Armando, however blackrabbit's extreme defensiveness does seem a bit suspicious, but it could be a result of just being accused. I also think a lot of the points in armando's post are incredibly weak (IE. Atari).
Although now that I think of it, the fact that two soldiers arguing could be compared to how Armando and Emilio are twins. But I doubt the mods would have placed them both in the mafia, the temptation to pit them against eachother would be too much.
Gotcha I understand now. Sorry sometimes im a bit dense. =)
Keera
18 years ago
No, it was just roid rage. I just got my fix by visiting the gym and am feeling much better. :vibes
nickenstien;86524
Awwww!! Is somebodyyyyy tired ? ;)
No, it was just roid rage. I just got my fix by visiting the gym and am feeling much better. :vibes
FyreGarnett
18 years ago
i lost internet this afternoon dammitall, so am reading through real quick before i have to get off my best friend's puter... (i hate comcast - since they took over time warner, we lose internet every few days. it sucks)
first off - ferrets are not rodents. i only mention this becasue my sister would kell me if i didn't, seeing as how we have two of the damn things and i constantly call them rodents just so she can give me the lecture on how they're related to weasals not rats. (i ove being the baby sister some days!!)
second - in the stand mafia, our indications whether we had lynched a mafia were in the direction we were traveling, not in how many mafia were left. so there are others ways the mods can clue us in on whether we're on the right track other than numbers. that being said, i found the number 2 popping up so much to be rather suspect - though other than reffering ot the twins, i can't come up with any other reason why it would be mentioned 5 seperate times.
third - i'm still liking eduardo for the SK, though I need to read this thing through in the morning one more time before making any decisions.
*sigh* theer are just still too many possibilities!!!
first off - ferrets are not rodents. i only mention this becasue my sister would kell me if i didn't, seeing as how we have two of the damn things and i constantly call them rodents just so she can give me the lecture on how they're related to weasals not rats. (i ove being the baby sister some days!!)
second - in the stand mafia, our indications whether we had lynched a mafia were in the direction we were traveling, not in how many mafia were left. so there are others ways the mods can clue us in on whether we're on the right track other than numbers. that being said, i found the number 2 popping up so much to be rather suspect - though other than reffering ot the twins, i can't come up with any other reason why it would be mentioned 5 seperate times.
third - i'm still liking eduardo for the SK, though I need to read this thing through in the morning one more time before making any decisions.
*sigh* theer are just still too many possibilities!!!
Keera
18 years ago
If you are merely looking at psychological instability as a way to condemn people, I urge you to consider that every child in this army should be in some way "mentally unstable". Therefore going by strictly mental instability is a very bad thing to do in order to place blame.
Of course some are more fucked up than others but then again you never really know how far it runs. The ones who seem the most stable and straight laced are many times the ones who are killing people and storing them in their fridge for a midnight snack.
A lot of the other kids weren’t much better on the sanity scale – in fact, a few were worse. Borderline personalities, paranoia, blackouts. Nervous twitches, homesickness, volatile rages. Anywhere else, the authorities would take one look at them and send them all to institutions, but here…well, it wasn’t as though they recruited –ordinary- children into Battle School.
If you are merely looking at psychological instability as a way to condemn people, I urge you to consider that every child in this army should be in some way "mentally unstable". Therefore going by strictly mental instability is a very bad thing to do in order to place blame.
Of course some are more fucked up than others but then again you never really know how far it runs. The ones who seem the most stable and straight laced are many times the ones who are killing people and storing them in their fridge for a midnight snack.
pharren
18 years ago
NOW i see the link between the fantasy world theme and the kill thread. thank you MEC.
His colleague flinched, repulsed, but recovered quickly. “All just guesses. Maybe we’ll never know…”
‘You mean you don’t –want- to know,” Dimak thought but did not say.
“Right. We may never know.”
What I am mentioning is how Eduardo does not know about the battle school, and how he doesn't want to know. He's stuck in his fantasy world.
NOW i see the link between the fantasy world theme and the kill thread. thank you MEC.