Round 3 - /OOC

Discuss here! OR I WILL SMITE THEE DOWN! For I am GOD! And I SMITE PEOPLE DOWN!

*whispered conference*

Except not so much any more. But I've still got it! Don't test me!

*smite*

Ha! Scared you!

Verileah 18 years ago
Anyway, Hitchhikers Guide to Mafia had the SK as the last man standing. Haunted Mansion had the SK and a mafia member as the last two standing and they insisted on a tie rather than betray each other. It was very sweet. Or very nauseating and annoying :D.

Mafia history lessons for the win!
ROzbeans 18 years ago
I *ALMOST* won the Blade Runner mafia as the SK, but pharren (mafia) got the first hit and he keeled me!!! That was a fun game. =D
pooka 18 years ago
Prairie had the most Doctor saves ever thanks to a fairly bungling mafia :bows:
FyreGarnett 18 years ago
havta to head back to work pretty quick, but I've been going over the various theories and checking out a few things... and thougt i might point out this interesting tidbit from Grenn's bio - specialty is Visual Mathmatics. Combine the joystick through the eye from Lynn's death, with the math references in Stormie's death and it does make a certain degree od sense.

Or at least as much as any theory does at the moment, considering how murky the water has gotten...
Mai 18 years ago
BlackRabbit
Stupid Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy Mafia. *mutters darkly at Mai*


*blinks innocently at BR* No one can accuse me of not keeping my word. :D
Blackrabbit 18 years ago
If you're innocent, I'm a virgin.
MEC 18 years ago
First off: MEC, when these mods say they play with clues, they play with clues. Check the Firefly and Hogwarts mafias, that I know for sure, and probably any others if you don't believe me.


I'm not saying the mods aren't putting in clues, I've played several games here and found them very enjoyable. I was just sharing a past experience I was pissed about.

I *ALMOST* won the Blade Runner mafia as the SK, but pharren (mafia) got the first hit and he keeled me!!! That was a fun game. =D


Even if you had killed him before he killed you, who's to say I wouldn't have voted for you instead Pulvani?
ROzbeans 18 years ago
Sore loser to the end, Mec!!!! :teehee
MEC 18 years ago
Nah, It's not like I don't accept defeat. I've just hit myself in the head for making the wrong choice.
Den 18 years ago
One thing I wanted to point out, with reference to the SK -- all the deaths they have been responsible for have involved strength, and breathing. PInual was choked with a sock rope, Theresa was beaten, lifted and carried to the null-grav where she ultimately suffocated, and Michael was smothered by a pillow held to his face - which had to have been done by someone stronger than he was, or he would have been able to free himself, most likely. We don't know how big Pinual was, but we do know Theresa was 4'8" and weighed 85lbs, and Michael was 5' and weighed 79lbs (converted from centimeters and kilograms).

Emilio, and Armando are both 4'10" and weigh 100lbs. Willie is 5'3", but a puny 85lbs. Zenan is also 4'10", and also only 90lbs. Splaz is a bit on the chunky side, weighing 108lbs, but is only 4'7"...shorter than both Theresa, and Michael.

I think all these people need to be looked at with reference to being able to kill like the SK did.

The only people both tall enough, and heavy enough to have the physical ability to do these things would have to be taller, and heavier than the dead, unless they had other means to compensate. Ezekial is 5'6" and weighs 125 lbs, being the largest kid around. Abay is the next largest kid being 5'2" and weighing 105lbs.
MashPotato 18 years ago
Some strength was required, definitely--but how much? Of the SK's victims: Pinual was more of a thinker than a fighter (the mafia mocked his physical abilities, and he was at the bottom of the standings), Michael was supposed to be mediocre in everything besides organization (character bio), and Teresa apparently didn't know how to fight at all:

Teresa pulled against the grip of the figure but they held onto her with the utmost tenacity. She wished she had signed up for the defensive classes when the first of the hits came at her face.

So some leeway for height and weight must be taken into consideration... a smaller person can take on a larger person, if they know how to fight and have surprise on their side.
Blackrabbit 18 years ago
Well actually just the first and third SK hits deal with breathing/choking/suffocating/asphyxiation. The second one, Teresa's, looks like she was dead from the beating before she even hit outer space.

What's confusing is how the SK held onto her with the utmost tenacity AND managed to beat her to a bloody pulp.
Den 18 years ago
Whether or not you really know how to fight might not make much of an issue when you're struggling for your life. I would imagine even the smallest, ill equipped fighter would still thrash around pretty damn strongly, when faced with dying.
Blackrabbit 18 years ago
Another point to consider, SK-wise:

Unsettled that the other soldier had found the pattern so quickly...


We do have two among us who mention pattern recognition in their bios. Willie, and Ezekial.
Blackrabbit 18 years ago
Some additional insight to the SK, in Ezekial's case.

1. The biblical reference Jacob brought up, regarding the shepherd thing. A good point; I looked for stuff like that initially but didn't know how to really go about digging for it.

2. The reference above, someone who recognizes patterns. From Ezekial's bio:
...he could see patterns and alternatives that others could not.


Also, from the same hit, Michael is:
...pleased to find himself finally thinking outside the box.


3. From the first combo hit, creativity and imagination are mentioned:
anything else they wanted, they had to imagine or steal. The rope that the figure carried under one arm was a little of both...


And from Ezekial's bio:
...focused solely on creativity and the expression of feelings...


4. The SK is obviously large enough to lift all of his victims or physically overpower them some way. At 5'6" and 125 lbs, Ezekial is the largest kid left alive (for those we have actual numbers on anyhow). The only one bigger was Dantes, who obviously was lynched.

5. Maybe not really a clue but it stuck out for some reason...
Teresa pulled against the grip of the figure but they held onto her with the utmost tenacity.

Perhaps that's not meant to parallel anyone's bio at all, but Ezekial's mentions
he refused due to his attachment to his mother


6. The SK thus far has expressed a desire to "help," and has been very "understanding" albeit in a quiet way. Ezekial's bio mentions he is quiet and sensitive.

Yes, they could all be totally off-base. But at the moment, they're the best I have to go on.
nickenstien 18 years ago
Ok, Ezekiel, you rationalise that I must the serial killer, on the basis that you didn't just get killed ?!?

That could mean absolutely anything or nothing.

Couldn't I also rationalise that I am still alive because you are the serial killer for exactly the same reasons ? Or if I were the serial Killer, couldn't I kill you with the cover that it was _too obvious_ for me to do so, and hence somebody must be framing me ?

but enough of this, lets look at your bio and the serial-kill: -



First off, your own bio end's with this text (typo included ;) )

Ezekial;86977
"Numbers speak volumes
Equations tell countless taies
We just need to hear
"



the serial-kill text was entitled "Statistically speaking". Draw your own conclusions here. In my opinion this has to be a blatant clue.



from your bio -

Ezekial;86977
"he could see patterns and alternatives that others could not."



from the kill - "Unsettled that the other soldier had found the pattern so quickly, Michael looked down at his nice organized chart once more."




from your bio -
Ezekial;86977
"Extremely quiet, Ezekial enjoys solitude, and prefers the company of numbers and words over people."


during the kill text, Micheal whitters on continuously, where as the killer says barely anything at all, generally just making the odd grunt noise or shrug.


and finily the matter of your size. You are 5 foot 6 and 125 pounds.

more text from the death scene -

STATISTICALLY SPEAKING;86977
"He kicked and struggled uselessly, screamed through the pillow, wasting all his precious air. Perhaps he should have saved his breath, but it was not in Michael to stop fighting; carrying on was what he did best, as evidenced by his continued presence at a school he just never fit into. And so his fists and his feet flew in the air as the life was dragged out of him."



Here we have a very clear struggle! Kicking screaming, fighting for life. The killer hear was strong.

This took someone failry strong/large, it was no sneak attack in the dark, it was brute force.



Finally, onto another matter. Eduardo (who I just noticed has voted for my death again ;) ), has been linked with you by numerous people, and today he starts off about the Mafia being in cahoots with the SK. With his and your combined activity, that rather looks like a smoke-screen for him being mafia & indeed in cahoots with the SK (That being you ;) ). Shouting it out loud, but aimed at somebody else, to make it seem impossible that you both are doing the very thing that you accuse others of.

HOWEVER, I concede that this is purely conjecture, and it is not effecting my descission right now.

I am more swayed by what I see as a wealth of evidence linking the Serial-Kill and Ezekiel's bio.

So I will be voting Ezekiel.
pooka 18 years ago
Well, Ezekiel 34 does have an awful lot of shepherd references for a book of the old testament, I'll grant you that. And I found one Haiku, but it took quite a few tries:
And so his fists and his feet
flew in the air as
the life was dragged out of him.


I'm not sure if it's quite enough to get me to change my vote just yet.

This should be a search on "Shepherd" in the Old Testament.

You know what though? In Day 2 it says
Then she remembered it was the entry airlock where, as launchies, they had arrived at Battle School.
. Is this "they" inclusive of her lover? No one is exactly her age. Ezekiel came to the school late, just last year, so it does not point to him. There are a number of 11 year olds and 13 year olds, but if we go back to day 1, the time of the appointment was 11 p.m. Just thoughts.
MashPotato 18 years ago
Well, many have already voted for an innocent townie to get killed (ie me), but I will write out reasons why I don't fit the SK mould as well as you think... give me a few minutes, I just got home from work ;)
Jetamio 18 years ago

Ezekial is 5'6" and


That's like taller than me in rl, thats one huge kid. As for weight, I have trouble converting it into stones, but it would have to be someone with a decent weight about them to carry another into the air lock thing. It would also require strength or sheer size/weight to hold down someone thrashing under a pillow.
MashPotato 18 years ago

Reasons Why Ezekial is not the SK

1)

The interior monologues of the SK strongly implies experience at Battle School, and disillusionment with the establishment, in all 3 kills:


Pinual was a prime example of the way the adults mishandled their charges – he was too caught up in the fantasy game, it was just unhealthy. And what did the teachers do? They encouraged him. The kid clearly had problems, but did they give him the help he so desperately needed?
Here, in the darkness, they could really see the ugly truth of what the teachers were doing. It wasn't about the buggers. It was about the possession of Earth and the strongest country with the smartest and most talented leaders of the future...only the teachers were fucking it up by looking to the wrong people, relying on past successes for future gain when really it was all foolish superstitions. Someone had to guide them along the right path.
“Aww, come on... You've got to be kidding me. Couldn't you go pick on someone else? I’m not even supposed to –be here-.”

In response, the other soldier inched closer and put a hand on Michael’s shoulder. “I know.”

Ezekial is a launchy, has no experience at Battle School, and has no reason to be disenchanted with it

. On the contrary, it gave him a place to live after his mother died.


2) I've mentioned it before, but it bears repeating:
Waiting for her to stand and follow, she accepted the offered hand and the two slipped silently out of the Dragon Army barracks. Both clad in only their underwear, they moved undetected through the tunnels, dropping levels to a secure destination.

The timidity of Teresa wouldn't let her do this with Ezekial.

Why would she blindly follow someone she didn't know (he's new), in her underwear, holding hands... it all suggests familiarity or comfort, it's not the actions of an extremely shy girl on the onset of puberty with an older boy.


3) Ezekial is the biggest one left, yes, but

Ezekial is not the bulkiest

/strongest

. Calculating weight per inch height, that honour goes to Splaz.


4) Opening the airlock: that suggests either familiarity with the controls, expertise in mechanics/computers, or in opening doors.

Ezekial has none of the skills/knowledge needed to open the airlock.


5) As I previously mentioned, all 3 victims of the SK were not combat-skilled, with Teresa not even knowing how to fight, so

strength is not the deciding factor in how they were killed.

Was it needed? Yes, but what is not necessary is that the SK be the biggest person left.


6) The first kill required stealth and hiding:

The noise echoed through the corridors; not exactly subtle, but most of their fellow soldiers made more noise than a herd of buffalo. The figure slipped into the doorway of the bathroom and waited for the group to pass. When it was quiet again, they stepped out, and proceeded toward the gym.

It would be difficult for Ezekial, who is tall, to hide; also, it would be near impossible for him, who has no military experience, to sneak around without being heard

. He's from the prairies; there's no need to be quiet there! ;)


7)

So he was quite surprised when the other member of Dragon Army sat down beside him on his bunk.

“Ho, Michael.”

No Canadians say "ho" as a greeting!

!! If you address someone as "ho" here, it would be... impolite *ahem*.


8)

Ezekial doesn't fit these characteristics, but others do

... for example. ABAY... or SPLAZ!