Round 3 - OOC

Dangit, I hate when I lose a big fat post.

I am a complete retard and went to the main menu instead of oening up a new window, and lost my lovely list of clues. Since I have to leave for work soon, to make a long story short:

Solomon Caine:

-In addition to what's been posted already from hits 1 and 2, today's hit has a very obvious law enforcement theme which fits his bio.
-There's also the mention of the assailants looking somber and mirthless, which would also tie him into it.
-In addition, from hit 2, there's the mention of dying for someone else's crimes. Caine is a privateer, which is a form of legal piracy basically... however, it's really only legal from the perspective of the country that comissioned the privateer. Other countries may still see it as flat-out piracy, which could correlate to that particular passage in the hit.

Nova Piestewa:

-We have the 'dawn's early light' thing, we have the Yo-ho-ho reference from today's hit.
-I also think there's something to be said in Den's observations, regarding the nature of the kills. Still pnodering this one.

William Cleene:

-One ship hangs back in he first Mafia hit. Could it be Mr Cleene, reluctant to get his hands dirty?
-In addition, the crew just simply seems to disapear and die quietly overnight. Cleene's bio does mention the "quietest mutiny ever."
-From Mafia hit 2, "The Captain did not notice the passing figure..." Perhaps Cleene's training helped with this: "William Cleene was always a good boy. He had never been in a lick of trouble in his relatively young life, and was well on his way to the obscurity that his family aspired to. Professional man and maidservants were best when invisible, leaving nothing but a wake of well-polished wood and metal." He could have been the one in port while his pals waited on the sea.
-From today's hit, there has already been the mention of the bony grip of death, reminiscent of a skeletal hand holding a mop. Cleene's flag?
-In addition (I do hate these but sometimes they are clues): we have the mention of "A sense of urgency swept over the crew" from the second hit. Maybe just coincidental wording.
-Today's hit would also appeal to Cleene, I believe, as there's very little fighting involved and the Captain does seem to go quite easily off teh plank. No muss, no fuss. No blood to clean up, AND he gets a bath in the process.

:) Sorry Tor, you know I lub j00.... but you look fishy!

Anyhow that's it from me for the next few hours as I am off to work and stuff. :)

You make some good points, BR.

Some interesting points on Cleene. After the bony hand thing, which I was willing to write off, this all stacks up a bit more. The voting pattern wouldn't discount Cleene either. Then again what can be read into that at this stage? I dunno.

If I can glean this assumption based on reading the botched Mafia Hit about who is the Sherrif and/or Doctor is, then it's highly probably that the Mafia have as well.

And I'm not about to insult the intelligence of all the other Pirate Captain's by not highlighting a potential risk that may likely have occurred from the way the voting went last night, the botched mafia hit, and what potential conclusions can be drawn from that.



If the last few days have shown anything, there are enough potential clues and/or red herrings to point fingers at almost anybody - and of course that includes Captain Caine and Captain Jessop.

quote=lemmy101;94546] Another possibility was that his vote against you was a diversion, and now you're trying to sell a fellow mafia as the doctor, though that's totally unfounded, I'm just throwing out there I don't *know* one way or another what the deal with Slipnish is except to say NOT the doc OR sherrif.[/quote]

If the vote against me was a diversion, you've handed the real Mafia the perfect opportunity to set me up as a lynch.

The fact that Colonel O'Connor and Captain Caine voted against Captain Jessop was based on our own conclusions drawn from the SK kill of Captain Tasman.

The fact that Captain Jessop and Captain Mon Claire, the Rueful Pirate voted against Captain Caine; and Captain Jessop was subsequently targeted illustrates just how devious the Mafia can be. An attempt on either one of you was certain to produce the exact kind of response you're displaying today.

You decry that Captain Caine is Mafia long enough, and the diligent Mafia will almost certainly use that fact to try and get a lynch against me.

quote=lemmy101;94546] If Caine survives the next lynch, then justice will not have been served. ;([/quote]

The real injustice will be if the good Pirate Captain's don't pay attention to the details and let themselves be swayed by emotion.

I'll keep looking for details - be they real clue or planted red herrings - and share them with the others.

I'll post an update on details and observations when I can, still working.

Please feel free to insult my intelligence. I have no idea what you mean by this. :D

Well you got me convinced Four Winds! ;)

Hey, I know I'm toast sooner or later (probably sooner). I'm just going to bring as many confirmed mafia down with me as I can! Hopefully you'll be in Davey Jone's Locker before my number's up!

The doctor's saved me twice already, so there's nothing I can do now.. but, I'll make sure the innocents are aware of each other before I go, and will just have to hope the GF and SK aren't amongst them. :S

You're going down, Mafia scum!!! ;)

Buns did make some good points, sure. She's good at picking up on things, though sometimes she misses others, as everyone does. In this case, the others that qualify as possibilities on her selected hints. As a point by point rebuttal...

The lone ship holding back seems to be more for the stylistic purpose of illustrating what we all seem to agree on - four mafia and a godfather. The only reason it seems otherwise now is because it supports the below clues that I don't think are all that valid, as I hope to convince you all of. Also, anyone with long range and fond of cannon use would hang back rather than close to board.

Cesare Bontempe's flag has two skeletal hands in it. Solomon Caine's flag also has an arm gauntleted, though it isn't detailed if skeletal or fleshy. I'd assumed it was, but rereading doesn't clarify the point so it is an unreliable example. Still, a clue that points twice as heavily toward Cesare at the least.

Vanishing crews appear in a couple of bios. As do quick takeovers. As do efficient killings. Darsa features VERY prominently here.

There are numerous stealthy individuals. Mystique's skill as a pickpocket, Santiago Ortiz's status as a thief, Darsa was a sneaky sneaky one for years. Ginger Ears was a doorstop, Rosa lost her voice, Nova was a lookout, Jack Blackwater is an artist of the quick and silent boarding party, of the variety necessary to clear out a crew. It looks to me like sneakiness is somewhat par for the course among the bios. Imagine that...a sneaky pirate.

Many captains came to power through no mess, and I specifically mention that Cleene is willing to do things dirtily...it just isn't preferred. The focal point being on the cannons. Since the other mafia hit would have required much cannon activity, it seems unlikely to involve him. In the example of a barrelman, Cleene would likely simply dismantle him for useful parts rather than push his floaty behind overboard. Other captains that come to power through no mess are Mystique, Cesare Bontempe, the Dread Pirate Buns, Santiago Ortiz, James O Connor, Lilith, the Brat, Nova, Bloody Rich...obviously this can't be a credible clue.

Swept over the crew seems an unfortunate phrase for Mr. Cleene, granted. But it is an awful lot to pick on poor young William for. Otherwise, Cesare Bontempe features just as prominently in these examples. Nova makes some appearances as well.

Really want to hang someone for sweeping? Tsk tsk! Cesare Bontempe is much more guilty than William Cleene, using just the above examples. As there has already been a barrage of Anti-Bontempe going around, I won't restate it all. Folks have already read it.

I am actually inclined to believe I am usually wrong, hence my shock and surprise when occasionally I do manage to put two and two together and come up with something between 3 and 5. :)

Note that I did point out Nova, and I certainly have my suspicions regarding Bontempe.

I am simply pointing out things that seem suspicious to me as they occur. :) I am quite willing to believe that any of the folks I accused are innocent of all charges... providing they can give me ample evidence that they are NOT guilty.

As for the last half of your rebuttal, my dear Tor, what you perceive your character would or wouldn't do in these situations is irrelevant. Once you write that bio, your character's actions in hits are out of your hands and into the mods'. :) I disregard any argument that has a "well my character wouldn't do that" overtone to it. This includes, incidentally, some of the arguments of a certain Captain Caine. :)

I'm not sold on anything yet! I'm still just lookin' and stuff!

(Edited for redundancy editing :P )

Just go back from work and study and been doing some reading, studying and thinking...




Captain Jessop was perplexed by a sealed note. Perhaps he doesn’t get a lot of correspondence, or maybe he doesn’t know how to read.

The point is that the sealed note handed to him by a young messenger boy was enough to keep the barrel-chested Captain distracted “perplexed” long enough for someone to come up from behind and knock him senseless, so hard in fact that :



There are certainly Pirate Captain’s around who have the physical prowess to knock out Captain Jessop, but why from behind?

There are only a few Pirate Captain’s who could go toe to toe with Captain Jessop in a frontal assault and potentially knock him out. Captain Jessop is a scary prospect to go up against:

“His ribcage had been replaced with an old oak rum barrel, his left arm was his own flesh and bone that had been grafted onto the barrel using some kind of gluey stuff, while the right was replaced entirely with a wooden socket allowing for all manner of useful attachments; such as a cutlass, musket, a cast iron pillaging rod and a harlot tickler.”

Potential Captains who could likely brawl with Captain Jessop head on:

Captain Solomon Caine who has an “imposing build.”

Gentleman Jack Morgan “is a well-built and strong man, yet not exceptionally so. He is a competent swordsman, but his true strength in battle comes from his savagery and raw animal cunning.”

Captain Jack Blackwater “is a massive man, well over 6 ft and seemingly as broad shouldered and brawney as he is tall.”

None of these men would need to waylay Captain Jessop from behind.

We can discount Dominic the Parrot and Captain Ginger Ears of attacking Captain Jessop from the front or in a sneak attack. Neither would have the physical ability to knock out Captain Jessop.

Potential Captain’s who prefer stealth and subterfuge:

Captain Mystique learned the ways of pirating from “Panther Pete,” is a practiced thief, and would be capable of sneaking up on Captain Jessop.

Captain Santiago Ortiz grew up in thieving ways from the age of 14 and would be capable of sneaking up on Captain Jessop.

Captain Darsa “keeps herself as fit as she could, as she knows her physical strength and agility will help keep her alive and a contender among so many men.” Captain Darsa is also a practiced thief, and would be capable of sneaking up on Captain Jessop, and ambush would be preferable to a frontal assault against a physically imposing man like Captain Jessop.

Captain Nova Piestewa comes from a smuggling background, is a practised thief and would be no stranger to subterfuge and deception.

Captain's Mary Williamson is no stranger when it comes to disguise and has learnt to “fight just as any boy.” Although not strong enough to take Captain Jessop from the front, an ambush could have been attempted.

Other Notes:

Colonel James O'Connor may have servants that do his bidding, but it’s highly unlikely that the Colonel would waylay Captain Jessop from behind. Somewhat out of character for the good Colonel,




There are a few Pirate Captain Biographies that make mention of male youth, particularly boyhood.

Captain Caitri Ambrai-Greystone begins her career “when she was 12 she stole aboard a ship as a boy to avoid the marriage that was arranged for her. She worked her way up from a cabin boy to a sailor as she grew older. She found herself on a British Navy Man-O-War when she was 16 and hating ever minute of helping the English.”

Captain William Cleene “was always a good boy. He had never been in a lick of trouble in his relatively young life, and was well on his way to the obscurity that his family aspired to. Professional man and maidservants were best when invisible, leaving nothing but a wake of well-polished wood and metal. A quiet young man, he was coerced into service on his way to the Colonies. His master had been taken for ransom, and William followed him to his fate, for a time. The young lord was ransomed, but William was kept on board - Mr. Cleene had made himself useful on the crossing, and the captain fancied the shine on the cannons.”

Captain Mon Claire may dress flamboyantly, and has been abused in the past through “the weekly "Guess what I have in my pants, Young William?" Wednesdays” there’s no indication of his sexual preference, despite the innuendos noted throughout his biography. However, using a young messenger boy to deliver the Black Mark to Captain Jessop seems oddly fitting, and while Captain Mon Claire is physically no match for Captain Jessop, he “prefers something with a two handed grip” when it comes to fighting off melee wielding opponents. It is feasible that Captain Jessop was walloped from behind by a “big one” on the noggin by Captain Mon Claire.

Captain Mary Williamson “disguised herself as a boy and jumped a ship taking a place as a cabin boy. Keeping her true identity (and gender) a secret she worked her way up the ranks, learning to sail, navigate, read, fight just as any boy would.”

Captain Bloody Rich Smith “was born into a fishing village and from a very young age was more at home on the water than on land. A lucky find of oysters afforded him to purchase his own ship he called the Peal Princess to commemorate the very treasure that allowed him to get the ship.”




Captain Solomon Caine is “grim faced” and has a “silent bearing” - certainly somber, and possibly mirthless, but there’s no detail as his humor or lack of it.

Captain Dread Rabbit “is perfectly willing to do all the backstabbing required of her. No matter the dirty work, Nola was determined to rely on piracy as a way to live the life she desired.” - Captain Rabbit is unlikely to be amicable when it comes to killing an opponent and “the dark-haired little spitfire at the bow was soon to be feared and respected in her own right.”

Colonel James O'Connor comes across as well spoken, and the archetypal English Naval Captain - stiff upper lip, very refined, and reserved. Colonel O’Connor isn’t particularly fond of pirates, but there’s nothing specific in his biography about being somber or mirthless - though I doubt that Captain Jessop would be received with an open smile or polite bow.

Captain Lilith is a mercenary/pirate hunter and would certainly have no love for Captain Jessop. “Assaulted by pirates, captured, and then ransomed several years later had taken it's toll on her worldly views as well as her body and mind.

From that point on, a fire burned inside a soulless mass, and an indomiable will was driven to extremes to reforge a broken self into a weapon to capable of saiting it's need for vengence on the kindred of those that had robbed her of her childhood and innocence.”

It’s difficult to imagine such a driven woman being jovial in the company of Captain Jessop.

Other Notes:

Captain Ginger Ears and Dominic the Parrot can be discounted from this. The poor Captain can’t see, and the Parrot doesn’t appear somber or mirthless (and can’t hold a sword either!)

Captain William Cleene may run a tight, and clean ship but that doesn’t necessarily make him somber or mirthless. In fact he’s more likely to keep Captain Jessop off his ship rather than have him aboard.

Captain Mon Claire may consider Captain Jessop an affront to fashion sense, but he doesn’t seem likely to be interested in being anywhere near the presence of so offensive a creature.

Captain Rosa’s voice, “unable to rise above the level of a whisper, soon echoed through the Caribbean: "show no mercy"...” Her poor treatment at the hands of other men might make her somewhat unfavourable to Captain Jessop, but no direct mention of her being somber or mirthless.




Somewhat straightforward, pirates were known to use bladed weapons, particularly the infamous cutlass. Naval Officers and wealthier Pirates tended to have more finely wrought blades.

The mention of swords and/or bladed weapons in association with Pirate Captains and their ships are:

Captain Solomon Caine’s ship flag is “a gauntleted white forearm and fist holding a broken sword on a red background.”

Captain Mystique “lived and learned the ways of her lord, only to turn a knife on him one night.” Not exactly a sword, but a bladed weapon.

Captain Caitri Ambrai-Greystone “always has her cutlass, flintlocks, several daggers hidden upon her and boarding ax on her”

Captain Cesare (Cuirasse) Bontempe’s Caravel has the following Flag: Black background, Skeleton in Vitruvian Man pose above a puddle of blood, wielding a dripping cutlass in each bony hand.

Captain Lilith “is more agile and as equally trained in blade then any man”

Captain Mary William’s ship bears a flag that is described as a “black field, large red heart with two swords plunged through it.”

Captain Jack Morgan has a ship that bears a flag with “three black daggers in a row, pointing down, set against a crimson field.”

Captain Jack Blackwater’s ship bears a flag described as “red rose crossed with a dagger on a black field.”

Other Notes:
Captain Mon Claire prefers to use a pistol, and a two handed object when faced with a blade. Unlikely to use a blade against Captain Jessop

Captain Ginger Ears and Dominic the Parrot don’t have the capability to wield a blade accurately or effectively against anyone.





While some of our Pirate Captains would certainly see it as an amusing form of meting out death to Captain Jessop, there’s something about this scene that seems as hollow as well, a barrel.

The Mafia are experienced Pirates here, not rank amateurs.

So why wouldn’t they simply run Captain Jessop through and toss his carcass overboard, or weight him down and then make him walk the plank as seems to have been the preferred method when instances of making people walk the plank have been recorded?

For example, in 1829, pirates intercepted the Dutch brig Vhan Fredericka in the Leeward Passage between the Virgin Islands, and murdered most of the crew by making them walk the plank with cannonballs tied to their feet.

Granted the Mafia Pirates might have thought that Captain Jessop was incapable of swimming and would eventually drown, but I don’t think they’re stupid enough not to stand at the side of the ship and watch Captain Jessop go down.

That whole scene smells a little fishy.

And Captain Bloody Rich being in the area and saving Captain Jessop?

Is he really playing the good Samaritan?

Or have the Mafia made a Fake Hit?

Is that possible?

This is only my second MAFIA game, but does anyone know if the Mafia in a given game can Fake a Hit?

No, they mafia cannot fake a hit.

The Mafia hit had to be changed because Jessop was saved by the doctor. This is why they didn't make sure he drowned.

As for Captain Rich. I believe astralfire just wanted to rp, and created that last scene of her own accord. I don't think you can read anything into that.

I could be wrong.

Thanks for clarifying that. Still a very sloppy botched execution of Captain Jessop by half.

FYI: Astralfire is male ;)

The IC post I made is just RPing. I was told it is allowed as long as you don't really change the story. All I did was give Jessop a way to catch back up with the rest of us. He doesn't even need to take the boat. I just offered it.

Also we are all in a race with the same destination. We are all going to pull into the same ports and pass by, or close by some of the same islands and waters. My being in the area is not that impossible.


Captain Caine has taken to accusing everyone he can. With any little evidence he can.
I mean come on the use of a messenger boy is not a clue and has no relevance to anyone's Bio. After all what old story about sailing ships does not have some reference to a cabin boy? And lets face it a couple of coins to a kid to deliver a note in that day and age would have been commonplace.

Now if someones Bio had stated they had a crew of young teens or a hardy band of cabana boy in their charge I could see a relationship, but to pull out that little fragment and even try to give it importance, is going to give less credit to all your blathering.

Maybe, you should do a better job next time.

Actually I've also been pointing the finger at myself the whole time as well. If you want to accuse others, you have to accuse yourself - or be prepared for it.

Every little detail, no matter how insignificant or trivial can mean something, or it can mean nothing at all. That's the beauty and frustration of these MAFIA games because you can't be sure what is or what isn't a clue. Hence trying to cover all bases.

The Messenger Boy served as a convenient distraction for someone to sneak up and wallop Captain Jessop from behind. With enough force that he woke with an awful headache.

I wouldn't call that insignificant at all.

Oops! My bad - sorry.

And yes, rp is allowed, some games it just seems to appear more often than others. I enjoyed reading yours :)

The one thing we can be certain on so far is that the Mafia hits appear to have been accomplished by ambushing and waylaying their opponents. The Serial Killer is more direct in his or her actions, and in the case of poor Captain Tasman very blunt and straight forward in doing it.

Just found this, thought you guys might enjoy it:

http://www.whiteninjacomics.com/comics/stolentreasure.shtml

Hah! Most excellent :)

A punch in the face for Captain Angela Tasman.
A sword in the chest for Captain Mon Claire.

Seems the Serial Killer prefers to be up front and personal.