What to tell your kids?

Ok, so my 5 year old has been asking about death lately. Asking if our dog, 15 years old, is going to die soon. Wanted to know if I was going to die. Wanted to know what happens after you die and why.

/sigh.

I'd honestly rather give him 'the talk', than talk about death with him.

I'm wiccan, so my beleif of the afterlife differs than that of my ex, hell, it differs than that of my whole family. I don't want to totally ignore my beleifs, nor do I want to ignore my families beleifs. So, I gave him all the different theories on it. Let him know some people think you'll go to heaven, some think you'll get reincarnated (try explaining reincarnation to a 5 year old), some think you'll become a spirit that stays on earth, and so on.

When he asked if our dog or myself would die, I told him everyone does. /sigh. Was that wrong of me to say? The way I worded it was, "Everyone dies, it's a part of life, just like being born and growing up is. Don't think of the dying part, that might make ya too sad, instead think of the now part."

He asked if we can see people once they're dead. I told him, in our dreams we can.

ugh.

I don't want to scar the poor boy. I hardly thought my 5 year old would be asking about death, and he totally caught me off gaurd.

So, I come to you now, what would you tell your child(ren)?

ROzbeans 21 years ago
I have honestly never heard of the term 'packie' before. :?
Gilae 21 years ago
It refers to someone of pakistani descent...in Canada that's the term they use instead of "towel head" or "camel jockey"...and the truly stupid apply it to anyone who is brown versus black...such as me.
ssoulz 21 years ago
For the sake of fairness, and tying in with Ssoulz comment that everyone has something that bothers them...the thing that generally sets me off is if someone labels me as black. I'd be mad if someone labeled me as white too...but no one ever does. It started when an exboyfriend said I was black because I had black blood in me. Something about it sounded like reverse racism. It reminded me of people saying the blood is polluted...only with a positive spin.


this is the part that doesn't bother me and i wasn't sure why it would bother you until i thought about it more.

this situation is someone accepting you as their own which is a compliment. i've been told by people that there is no way i am white, that i have to be a black albino and they won't accept any other explanation. it's a compliment but i always correct them so they know i know who and what i am. it doesn't piss me off but it doesn't make me overjoyed either. i take it for what it is. a gesture of acceptance.

i think i understand why it pisses you off. i don't want to play the shrink or nothing like that but it's something i've sensed from you from the beginning and i could be wrong.

i think you have an identity problem. not that you don't know who or what you are, but i think you don't like people labeling you as something you are not because it makes you feel like you can't express who you are.
Guest 21 years ago
I have to say, that coming from a family that, no matter what your beliefs are, you have respect for EVERYONE no matter their color. My grandfather grew up a) in the south and b) when blacks werent around much. He didnt trust them, as a lot of old people are, and I didnt like it as a child. I told him several times not to say "nigger", and he stopped eventually. But that came from a different time frame. This would be hard for some of you to understand, but he wasnt racist, but the when and where he grew up in, thats what they were called. Just like when I say "bad" I mean something is bad. Its awfu. When some kids say "bad" now, they mean "cool". In the same sense, Nigger was a word derived from Nigeria, and no I dont know who started it, or if it was bad person or what. But I do know that my grandfather meant no ill malice. If he seen a black person, hed say "Hello sir, good day sir" just like to any other person. But when they left he would (in total casual conversation) say I saw this Nigger today, and he was real nice.

lol As a child I knew he meant no harm, but the word is used totally differnt now, and is meant in malice. I understood that as a child, so I guess my point is dont tell them anything unless they ask. I didnt have to ask, I knew the love my grandfather had.
On the other hand, it has to be different for blacks. (Blacks is easier to type, I hope that doesnt offend anyone, I mean nothing horrible, African American or any thing else takes to damn long to type. /giggle ok Im shutting up now. ) They are at the brunt of it, so it has to be explained differently. But on the other hand, see, I grew up in a school that was small, but it had 13 black girls in my class only. That was a lot for the size of our school, but Im the type person that wishes it was 50/50. or 100 blacks to 50 whites. Hell I dont care. But anyway, the 13 of them had a leader, and they used to beat the ever loving poo out of me.. for 2 years straight. Why? I had poofy hair. My clothes werent stylish. And I was white. And this is in a prominitly white school. My mother didnt know, because I was afraid that I would get into trouble for telling her. She finally seen a bruise one day because Yetta (the girls name was Yetta) slapped me hard across the face. Normally she took care to put htem places mom wouldnt see, she knew Id keep my mouth shut. Long story short, mom went to the principal and he did nothing , beacuse there were 13 black mommies and one white one, and we looked pretty foolish and a few of them really rubbed a lawsuit in the principals face. Luckily for me, most of them dropped out of school soon afterward.

Everyone endures so much racism (to a point) now days, that its hard to say what you would tell your kids. I was raised where I didnt hear cuss words, dirty jokes, dirty language,a nd we went to church. So when I did hear it, it appalled me, but I just shrugged it off. (well the dirty mouth seemed to have stuck to me like glue, lol, but the other didnt).
As far as the kid you were talking about, the fact that she even asked him to sing it says that she thought it was too funny. And that is just too dumb on her part. Sry she looses. However pure innocence cant be helped.
Example:

When my mother in law was a small baby, her mom and her sister went out into town. They lived in a town where spanish, latino, black or any thing else just didntlive there. Not only was it 43 give or take years ago, but it was a farm town in Mo. They just didnt live there. So they went into a store and a visiting black woman smiled at the young sister of my mother in law (probably 2 if not younger) and in the innocence of a child, she promptly asked:

"Mom? Is that a monkey, like in the zoo?"

To which the poor mother promptly turned beet red, left the store so fast she left her purse and never returned.

Ok, she obviously respected the black woman enough to find that mortifying than funny, at least at the time, and didnt want to even think about the poor woman on the other end of the convo. But she was a child, and she didnt understand.

I guess the difference is this. Used to, parents taught their kids what they wanted, but they taught them respect. They asked questions, and they got straight answers, but no matter what color you are, they still treated you like a person.

Now, parents partake in filth, bad talking, and nigger / brownie / white jokes. They laugh at the others, take from them,a nd kill them. And teach their kids nothing. But while all this is going on, their kids are watching them. And listening. And so, this still ever innocent child is the same as always, but hes learned a few words, and WOW ! Mommy thinks its funny when I say it.

thats just wrong. Society is wrong. :(

Dont know why i felt led to share all that with you, but if you didnt fall asleep hope somehow it ... well... didnt make you fall asleep lol.
ROzbeans 21 years ago
I grew up calling myself mixed. Oh, my parents are mixed. I'm mixed, you know. So when I got older into my 20's I took it a step further saying, 'Hi, my father is black, my mother is filipina...i'm brown =D'. I've turned it into a way of life and a glorious self expression. I never mean to isolate anyone but its so rare to meet other brownies in EQ. I swear I think Karnij and Gylius were the only brothers i knew in eq for YEARS.

I hope no one here that is non brown takes offensive to it. All my friends here are in my brownie club anyway /grin. Its a label I provided for myself to explain my peculiar ways. I can understand Gilae not wanting to be labeled one thing or another and ssoulz theory of being labeled takes the fun out of being who you are.

I am proud of my heritage, alas I dont know much of my mother' family or my father's dominican family. My "family" was my brother and parents. We had no real cousins or aunts, uncles or close ties to our grandparents. In fact both sides are now dead. Paul made his own family in west virigina, his extended family. Mine is my husband's to be honest. The fact that my family is 1/10th his is why i put so much importance in friends. Veb doesnt get that but when we go visit his Aunt Lynn, its basically us visiting Andy Martinez's mom for thanksgiving. Its why I've tried to make my online life real, so to speak.

/waxing poet off
Gilae 21 years ago
Ssoulz
i think you have an identity problem. not that you don't know who or what you are, but i think you don't like people labeling you as something you are not because it makes you feel like you can't express who you are.


An interesting idea. Do you mean express as in verbally "hey world this is what I am look at me" or do you mean through general expression? I just don't like the idea of any part of the whole that I am being taken away from me I guess. And yes, I know that he meant it as a compliment...I didn't rage at him or anything about it...not that I'm one to rage generally anyway.

I shall ponder this further.

And Mae, I AM brown. I can't take offense at being called brown when brown is in fact the colour that I am ;)
Guest 21 years ago
Gilae
And Mae, I AM brown. I can't take offense at being called brown when brown is in fact the colour that I am Wink


I love Gilae for this. I have trouble saying things at times, but when I say Black, or Brown, or white, people say "Your so racist!" or "/gasp! Dont say that too loud!", Im like WTF, Im white. Im not peach, caramel, beige, off white, or brown. Im white. My hair is brown. Im white. I dont care if people say it. Cause guess what...










...its true!
Though I do feel uncomfortable saying the word Black sometimes, cause I have offended people unintentionally cause there are all these new words you can call folks that is pollitically correct, so Im very much liking the brownies and brown that mae and Gil and the others use. Its cute, its expressive, and it is your own. <3 I wish I could come up with something more creative than ... cracker. Im White Bread yo!

Most people just call me "too damn pale" lol. I hate laying out :(
Gilae 21 years ago
Having put some more thought into it Ssoulz, yes that may be part of it, obviously more then I had given thought to...but it is also somewhat offensive to my "white" side to suggest that I am all black because I have "black blood in me". I am what I am...why label it? To say it is a compliment "hey you're part black...good on you!" is a kind of backwards compliment. It suggests I'm ALMOST cool enough...might as well be...rather then just being ok for being what I am. A little of both. Imagine it on the reverse side. "Well Ruth...you have SOME white in you...so you're not so dirty that we can't use you as a prostitute with the rest of the half breeds" And I say "Well gee! Thanks for the compliment! I feel halfway acceptable!"
Guest 21 years ago
oh btw, I forgot to add, just as an afterthought, I <3 the beauty of interracial females. And some males too. . I mean like the majority of mixed females have GOT to be the most sexy females Ive ever seen. Mariah Carey (tho crazy), Gilae, my son... :) Wow.
Vulash 21 years ago
Racism in West Virginia is so different then here in Chicago it threw me for a bit of aloop when I moved here. In the parts of WV where I grew up I didn't see it as that bad with the exception of the really really country rednecks. So you'd have like 80% of people not really caring much what color you were, and then the other 20% extreme racist redneck(I'm guessing completely on numbers :D). From stories from my parents though it was very bad back when they were in high school and resulted in riots with overturned cars ect.

For example. My home town (about 10k people) was more of the 80% crowd. Then there are 4 small communities on the outskirts. 2 are very rough and redneck, 2 are predominately black. Unfortunately all 4 are close together. So in that area it gets pretty bad, and there are alot of fights. I assume because of growing up in a situation like that the people from the black neighborhoods were more defensive and abrasive in high school then those from the main city area which caused even more tension with the rednecks crowds. I had always just assumed racism was simliar all across america. I will say though I can see a difference just since I was younger and now there.

Chicago is a much more diverse crowd, and when I first moved here I thought racism would be gone pretty much. I was pretty wrong, and see it heavier here then in WV. Although its more blanketed and I don't know. It's hard to describe but its more underlying and overall different. The lines are gone here I guess and it isn't as obvious, but its more prevalent.

And just for the record I used to get followed nonstop in stores there too just for being a teenager. I think they go out of their way to hire security in stores that love stereotypes =/
Guest 21 years ago
Vulash
Racism in West Virginia is so different then here in Chicago it threw me for a bit of aloop when I moved here. In the parts of WV where I grew up I didn't see it as that bad with the exception of the really really country rednecks. So you'd have like 80% of people not really caring much what color you were, and then the other 20% extreme racist redneck(I'm guessing completely on numbers :D). From stories from my parents though it was very bad back when they were in high school and resulted in riots with overturned cars ect.

For example. My home town (about 10k people) was more of the 80% crowd. Then there are 4 small communities on the outskirts. 2 are very rough and redneck, 2 are predominately black. Unfortunately all 4 are close together. So in that area it gets pretty bad, and there are alot of fights. I assume because of growing up in a situation like that the people from the black neighborhoods were more defensive and abrasive in high school then those from the main city area which caused even more tension with the rednecks crowds. I had always just assumed racism was simliar all across america. I will say though I can see a difference just since I was younger and now there.

Chicago is a much more diverse crowd, and when I first moved here I thought racism would be gone pretty much. I was pretty wrong, and see it heavier here then in WV. Although its more blanketed and I don't know. It's hard to describe but its more underlying and overall different. The lines are gone here I guess and it isn't as obvious, but its more prevalent.

And just for the record I used to get followed nonstop in stores there too just for being a teenager. I think they go out of their way to hire security in stores that love stereotypes =/



/giggle Im not trying to make fun at all, but do you see the irony of this? Maybe not, because I know some people honestly believe that rednecks are racist. Im redneck to the extreme. :) I was raised barefoot and on horses, I say things like "right thar" and "lets go huntin" and I wear caps and camo. I am able to be more of a composed female like females are supposed to be (according to society, being the horrid ruffian that us rednecks are /giggle) now that Im married, but its still there, my childhood and the fun it is. I go mudding. I do it all.

Racist, I am anything but.

Just wanted to clear that up. I have a deep feeling you say redneck, and associate racism without even realizing you do it, almost like the point I was making about my grandfather and his usage of the N word.

/giggle <3
Vulash 21 years ago
Not true, although I guess I phrased things poorly. I grew up very country, my dad calls himself a redneck, and I plan to go back ;p I did use the term as a label for what I was trying to convey. Which is there are groups of people around my hometown that ARE very racist, and are also the extreme versions of the stereotype of redneck. I'm talking cussing like a sailor, uneducated, chewing and racist. Never meant to imply that everyone that was redneck in whatever definition was racist, or even that everyone that fit the other parts of the mold I just used were racist, or even that only those types of poeple were racist. However, there was a very strong leaning that way. Keep in mind this is small town so I know, or know of most people. The group of 6 guys walking down the road in camo I'd pass in certain neighborhoods I'd also hear what they say in school.
Larene_Stormfire 21 years ago
I guess I was lucky growing up in a military family, I was taught that all people are equal no matter what.

I grew up across the street froma hispanic family and to this day they are like a part of my family and we still keep in touch. I honestly think its all in the way people are raised and what they are taught at a young age as to how they turn out in life.

To me it doesnt matter what the color of someone's skin is, its whats inside thier heart that counts
ssoulz 21 years ago
/giggle Im not trying to make fun at all, but do you see the irony of this? Maybe not, because I know some people honestly believe that rednecks are racist. Im redneck to the extreme. Smile I was raised barefoot and on horses, I say things like "right thar" and "lets go huntin" and I wear caps and camo. I am able to be more of a composed female like females are supposed to be (according to society, being the horrid ruffian that us rednecks are /giggle) now that Im married, but its still there, my childhood and the fun it is. I go mudding. I do it all.

Racist, I am anything but.

Just wanted to clear that up. I have a deep feeling you say redneck, and associate racism without even realizing you do it, almost like the point I was making about my grandfather and his usage of the N word.

/giggle <3


you misrepresent yourself sorry nalla. when you use words like wigger and the N version of that word, you are a racist. cut it however you want, maybe you had sex with colored folk, maybe you can admit the blending of white and black makes for beautiful women but just the fact that you can't comprehend how you act is a reflection of your environment, not your color, it's racism.

rac·ism Audio pronunciation of "racism" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rszm)
n.

1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.


This isn't a flame. It's education.
Rikr 21 years ago
My mom is filipina and my dad is white. In school I was asked all the time, "What are you?" It was mostly the black girls that were curious. They all thought I was Puerto Rican, or Mexican. I also heard Samoan, Chinese, Japanese, and Indian. Nobody could ever guess. I usually responded with a gay comment like "I'm American, that's what." :)
Guest 21 years ago
ssoulz
/giggle Im not trying to make fun at all, but do you see the irony of this? Maybe not, because I know some people honestly believe that rednecks are racist. Im redneck to the extreme. Smile I was raised barefoot and on horses, I say things like "right thar" and "lets go huntin" and I wear caps and camo. I am able to be more of a composed female like females are supposed to be (according to society, being the horrid ruffian that us rednecks are /giggle) now that Im married, but its still there, my childhood and the fun it is. I go mudding. I do it all.

Racist, I am anything but.

Just wanted to clear that up. I have a deep feeling you say redneck, and associate racism without even realizing you do it, almost like the point I was making about my grandfather and his usage of the N word.

/giggle <3


you misrepresent yourself sorry nalla. when you use words like wigger and the N version of that word, you are a racist. cut it however you want, maybe you had sex with colored folk, maybe you can admit the blending of white and black makes for beautiful women but just the fact that you can't comprehend how you act is a reflection of your environment, not your color, it's racism.

rac·ism Audio pronunciation of "racism" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rszm)
n.

1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.


This isn't a flame. It's education.


Sry if my saying the word offended you. However, since Mae and Gilae both new what I was trying to say, and are both a color other than white, and you arent, Ill have to say you just dont know what your talking about, or what I was talking about. /shrug I dont see how someone as yourself gets so blown up about those things when others that might have reason to dont. So, feel as if you are educating all you want. I know the way I feel, and Im sure I conveyed my message well enough to those I was speaking to, you on the other hand, just like to start trouble when you feel you can.
Danq 21 years ago
Ssoulz, shut the fuck up. You are out of line. I think you know damn well Nalla's intent... it's time for you to grow up and grow a brain.

Good to see that you haven't changed at all, the least of which is your intellect... which is diminishing by the second.

This isn't a flame. It is education. TEE HEE!
ROzbeans 21 years ago
I'm all for arguing but not for flaming. >< That's what solrochat.org is for y'all.

Moving along.../skips away
ssoulz 21 years ago
Ssoulz, shut the fuck up. You are out of line. I think you know damn well Nalla's intent... it's time for you to grow up and grow a brain.


rofl and telling me to shut the fuck up when i used no such anger or words is all grown up?

Good to see that you haven't changed at all, the least of which is your intellect... which is diminishing by the second.


/shrug i've known enough racists to know when i see another one.

This isn't a flame. It is education. TEE HEE!


educate my nuts with them in your mouth.
Guest 21 years ago
educate my nuts with them in your mouth.


Mae did say to try to stay away from flaming, lets keep it nice, k?