What to tell your kids?

Ok, so my 5 year old has been asking about death lately. Asking if our dog, 15 years old, is going to die soon. Wanted to know if I was going to die. Wanted to know what happens after you die and why.

/sigh.

I'd honestly rather give him 'the talk', than talk about death with him.

I'm wiccan, so my beleif of the afterlife differs than that of my ex, hell, it differs than that of my whole family. I don't want to totally ignore my beleifs, nor do I want to ignore my families beleifs. So, I gave him all the different theories on it. Let him know some people think you'll go to heaven, some think you'll get reincarnated (try explaining reincarnation to a 5 year old), some think you'll become a spirit that stays on earth, and so on.

When he asked if our dog or myself would die, I told him everyone does. /sigh. Was that wrong of me to say? The way I worded it was, "Everyone dies, it's a part of life, just like being born and growing up is. Don't think of the dying part, that might make ya too sad, instead think of the now part."

He asked if we can see people once they're dead. I told him, in our dreams we can.

ugh.

I don't want to scar the poor boy. I hardly thought my 5 year old would be asking about death, and he totally caught me off gaurd.

So, I come to you now, what would you tell your child(ren)?

Anulien 21 years ago
Nalla Trueheart
doesn't man make things that are supposed to do things better than us?


Nothing thus far, that I am aware of that human has made has been without err, therefore is not greater than any other human. Even computers only are made to do what the programmer and builder programmed them to do. Which is to say the same thing as that particular person. Not better or above them. Even cloning is only making the same pattern or thing again, rather than creating something new.


Absolutely correct. (Back to geek talk)Programs only follow instructions, man made instructions no matter how complex. They just perform the mundane tasks over and over much faster. Even when programs start to become intelligent (not conscious) they will use the same birth process as humans of combining code and rewriting themselves and then spawning a child who would either return to the parent process or kill it. There are few programs in the world that actually do anything semi useful at this time that are able to rewrite themselves.
Aziyade 21 years ago
Anulien
Aziyade
I don't believe that God should be on money, period. I think it's blasphemous.


I do not see anything blashphemous about putting God's name on currency. Using the money is the root of all evil argument is BS since money doesn't make people sin. Lack of self control and immoral decisions is the evil that makes money seem bad. In fact there are a large number of Psalms that offer great advice about money and credit.

I wasn't even thinking in terms of money being the root of all evil. To my way of thinking, putting God's name on money is using His name in vain and that is blasphemy.


Anulien
Aziyade

I would just like to point out the the 10 Commandments were originally Jewish.


And I thought they were the words of God carved into stone to give people laws in which to live their lives by. Not given to any religious group. However Abram was present during this time and he did become Abraham the father of Judaism soon after. Judaism is also the oldest of the monotheistic religions.


:) My point that was that the 10 commandments are not strictly Christian and in fact did not originate from Christian ideology. Pardon my inelegant and brief phrasing. Incidentally, the 10 commandments were given to Moses, on Mount Sinai, not Abraham.

Ssoulz, it became a common health practice to circumcize males in the US and Canada in the last century. Well for white males at any rate. I know most hispanic males still are not but I don't know about African-American or Asian males. In Europe it was still not common practice when my husband was born but they offered it as a free procedure when he was a teenager.

Gilae, my mother taught me to read by the time I was three also. I never had much interest in reading the newspaper, but I did read Romeo and Juliet when I was 11. I think that by treating children like idiots, you only succeed in raising idiot children.

Also, that sig you did for Ssoulz IS brilliant, great job!
Guest 21 years ago
I think that by treating children like idiots, you only succeed in raising idiot children.
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My mother was very ill raised. I wont get into my grandmother, thats a whole nother thread by itself ( :roll: ) but she treated my mother in that way that you hear on tv shows and you laugh, 'cept my mother didnt laugh. Youve heard it too "Children are to be seen not heard." "If Id have wanted your opinions on anything Id have given them too you, and then slapped your face for testing me" "I brought you into this world, Ill take you out" etc were all things that my mother heard growing up.

Ex.
My mother stated as a very young girl she wanted a hair cut. Yes this was an unusual thing with my grandma, my mother had long brown hair in a pony tail. So my grandma, without hesitating, grabbed up her pony tail, and just under the rubber band, chopped it off with a pair of scissors, and siad "there ya go".

Once, my mother (very ver very lil girl, like 3) told my grandma that she had been "touched" by my gramma;s brother that came to visit. My grandma slapped her into the floor board and told her not to tell lies about people she loved.

Point being, she was treated, to put it mildly, as if she was the lowest of the low, and spent her whole entire life feeling that way. Shes a lil more than nutty now, shes spent 41 years of being confused. She and my dad were married almost 20 years, but beyond that, she went a lil off the deep end. Its no damn wonder why. Teaching your kids that they are beneath you, whether or not its to the extreme my gramma did, brings up a confused and very timid child that turns into a confused and scared adult. I know we arent discussing in terms of things this bad, but I wanted to emphasize that kids know more than you think, and now that my mother is grown, she remembers these things, and hates her mom most of all for just not listening. Or treating her as an equal. And if you think about it, the way she was treated all boils down to her being "just a child" with no real feel of whats going on. yeah right.


BTW the only reason I call her grandma today on these boards is to avoid long other names or confusion or just plain obsenities. I dont call her that irl. If you only knew some of the things she has done, it shames me to even think shes family. Shes truly on of those people you see on tv that are fucked in the head.
ssoulz 21 years ago
Nothing thus far, that I am aware of that human has made has been without err, therefore is not greater than any other human. Even computers only are made to do what the programmer and builder programmed them to do. Which is to say the same thing as that particular person. Not better or above them. Even cloning is only making the same pattern or thing again, rather than creating something new.


no this is not absolutely correct. some of it is correct in that programs do what the programmers design them to do but the argument she was making is that what we've made doesn't do things better than we can do which is completely incorrect.

a calculator, one of the simplest programs created does mathmatical calculations with no error. humans error. not only does it calculate with no error (or atleast no error until beyond the decimal places provided in the program) it does it faster.

eliminating error AND increasing calculation speed IS better.

take a car for example. it's made to get you from point A to point B. there is only movement. in movement getting there faster is usually better. another example of a creation (or invention) of man that does an aspect of what we do but better.

the list can go on for days.

play semantics to sidestep minor points but the argument remains the same. we create or invent machines to do what we can do but better. even in some cases, do things we can't do... like fly. otherwise there is no purpose to creating (inventing) it.
Guest 21 years ago
a calculator, one of the simplest programs created does mathmatical calculations with no error. humans error. not only does it calculate with no error (or atleast no error until beyond the decimal places provided in the program) it does it faster.


So, are you under the impression that this calculator evolved into getting numbers on its own, or do you agree that what Im saying is its not better than a human in that it can do the same a human can? Sure it does it faster, but that calculator sure didnt come up with that info on its own. In high school we werent allowed to work with calculators period. Are you saying my answers in school were wrong because Im not as good as a calculator?
Things can be harder without some of these things sure, I wont argue that. But none are better than human, they only make things easier sometimes.
ssoulz 21 years ago
So, are you under the impression that this calculator evolved into getting numbers on its own, or do you agree that what Im saying is its not better than a human in that it can do the same a human can? Sure it does it faster, but that calculator sure didnt come up with that info on its own. In high school we werent allowed to work with calculators period. Are you saying my answers in school were wrong because Im not as good as a calculator?
Things can be harder without some of these things sure, I wont argue that. But none are better than human, they only make things easier sometimes.


nalla i'm not arguing that we made calculators to replace humans or that calculators are superior to humans. i used our creations / inventions as an example. if you really don't think calculators aren't superior to humans in that one function they were made to do... why aren't you on TIME magazine as the new and improved "Einstein?"

God supposedly created humans as perfect beings in his image. Along the line, imperfections evolved. How can perfection be anything less than perfect... ever?

God, if the stories are true attempted to create perfect beings but obviously we aren't perfect. The conclusion is that God either isn't all powerful and all knowing OR God created humans simply as a tool or for entertainment OR there is something more to the story.

Now to continue how I got to this conclusion by referencing man and it's creations / inventions...


Ok, as a caring and loving parent as God is portrayed, do you not want your children to become greater than you? As the "father" that God is portrayed in the bible... wouldn't a father want his children to become greater than himself? If he is all powerful and all knowing, and the attempt was to create something that would become greater than self, how could God have failed?

This leaves us with several conclusions "if" the above is correct...

1. God made man as a tool or for entertainment.
2. God really didn't fail but our "path" has yet to be revealed.
3. God isn't all knowing and all powerful as portrayed.


Do you really believe our path is to go to heaven and that is the end of the story. "Heaven" could very well just be the next step as opposed to what is commonly thought as it being the final step OR it's all bullshit made by someone to keep us from continuing to search for the answers for enlightenment.

I choose to look at all the options as equally possible answers.
Guest 21 years ago
ssoulz
So, are you under the impression that this calculator evolved into getting numbers on its own, or do you agree that what Im saying is its not better than a human in that it can do the same a human can? Sure it does it faster, but that calculator sure didnt come up with that info on its own. In high school we werent allowed to work with calculators period. Are you saying my answers in school were wrong because Im not as good as a calculator?
Things can be harder without some of these things sure, I wont argue that. But none are better than human, they only make things easier sometimes.


nalla i'm not arguing that we made calculators to replace humans or that calculators are superior to humans. i used our creations / inventions as an example. if you really don't think calculators aren't superior to humans in that one function they were made to do... why aren't you on TIME magazine as the new and improved "Einstein?"

God supposedly created humans as perfect beings in his image. Along the line, imperfections evolved. How can perfection be anything less than perfect... ever?

God, if the stories are true attempted to create perfect beings but obviously we aren't perfect. The conclusion is that God either isn't all powerful and all knowing OR God created humans simply as a tool or for entertainment OR there is something more to the story.

Now to continue how I got to this conclusion by referencing man and it's creations / inventions...


Ok, as a caring and loving parent as God is portrayed, do you not want your children to become greater than you? As the "father" that God is portrayed in the bible... wouldn't a father want his children to become greater than himself? If he is all powerful and all knowing, and the attempt was to create something that would become greater than self, how could God have failed?

This leaves us with several conclusions "if" the above is correct...

1. God made man as a tool or for entertainment.
2. God really didn't fail but our "path" has yet to be revealed.
3. God isn't all knowing and all powerful as portrayed.


Do you really believe our path is to go to heaven and that is the end of the story. "Heaven" could very well just be the next step as opposed to what is commonly thought as it being the final step OR it's all bullshit made by someone to keep us from continuing to search for the answers for enlightenment.

I choose to look at all the options as equally possible answers.


God created us in his image. He didnt clone us. And He didnt say He didnt WANT us to be like Him, we have a choice. Sure a father or a mother wants their kids to be better than them. God included, Im sure. However, you cant force your kids to do anything, can you? Im sure if we tried really hard theres a small chance we could be perfect. I dont see anyone trying that hard tho.

As far as God being all knowing, sure he knew what would befall us. I am about to go into my kids room. I just asked themfor the four hundreth time to please clean their rooms. Will it be? no way. Theyre kids. That doesnt mean i wont give them the chance and choice to do so.

Im sure if you tried Ssoulz, you could be as great as God. Try it :) However, humans err. Again, we were made in Gods image, not his clones. Like as in, he could have made us in a Gorrilas image, or an Elephants image, etc. He is the only perfect being. Thats just the way it is. That doesnt mean God would like it otherwise, tho. We damned ourselves, God hasnt anything to do with it. Oh well, He tried, right? :)
ssoulz 21 years ago
nalla this discussion just flew completely over your head.
ssoulz 21 years ago
He is the only perfect being. Thats just the way it is. That doesnt mean God would like it otherwise, tho. We damned ourselves, God hasnt anything to do with it. Oh well, He tried, right?


just for the sake of argument though...

How can an all knowing, all powerful, and perfect being fail?


is any of this dawning on you yet?
Guest 21 years ago
Thats what Im saying Ssoulz, he didnt fail. Me and my husband created my kids. Yes I want them to be better than I. Short of threatening thier lives with a gun, how can I make them tho? Do YOU understand what Im saying?
ssoulz 21 years ago
Thats what Im saying Ssoulz, he didnt fail. Me and my husband created my kids. Yes I want them to be better than I. Short of threatening thier lives with a gun, how can I make them tho? Do YOU understand what Im saying?


yes but you aren't God. YOU aren't the perfect, all knowing, all powerful being that created those children.

Do YOU understand YOUR imperfections can't be introduced into this argument when comparing God's creation and your creation.
Guest 21 years ago
Yes I do. You shouldnt have used us wanting our kids to be greater if you didnt want us brought into this discussion.

As for our perfect God, it is still no different. He wants us to be a certain way, but short of appearing and forcing us into it (in which case none of us would be the slightest bit happy) then it is up to us. Our perfect loving all knowing wonderful God isnt an asshole. He'd be more like Hitler if he forced us into doing His will that way. We do it because we want to, because we believe, or we dont.

Besides. God didnt give birth to us, us created so much in his likeness that we are the same genes etc. Do you know what an image of something is?

Off into the horizon, I see an image of a boat, through the fog.

OK, If i see an image, I see what LOOKS to be a boat. Might not be, could be. Who knows unless I go to sea looking for it. He created us in is image, as in we look like Him, but that doesnt mean we ARE Him.
ssoulz 21 years ago
completely over your head nalla. it's ok, i've gotten used to it when arguing with you.
Guest 21 years ago
ssoulz
completely over your head nalla. it's ok, i've gotten used to it when arguing with you.


You really shouldnt insult people when debating with them. It makes you look childish and really doesnt prove your point any further. If you had one to begin with.
ssoulz 21 years ago
You really shouldnt insult people when debating with them. It makes you look childish and really doesnt prove your point any further. If you had one to begin with.


while this is true what I said is also true.

it's the nicest way i can say what i really wanted to say.