ROUND 6 - OOC dicussion

Lynch - Myraan
Mafia hit - Nickenstien/Professor Vanderkrumpt

Vulash 13 years ago
Yea Nadiya - It's probably more than twice. My brain is slowly deteriorating
Vulash 13 years ago
Anyway - which points were you talking about? You've had a lot of posts today, and I'm honestly not up for rereading everything.
ShutUpSara 13 years ago
I'm going to laugh if Nichole's the mark for the Mafia this next time. Freudian slips ftw.
Vulash 13 years ago
ShutUpSara;99026
I'm going to laugh if Nichole's the mark for the Mafia this next time. Freudian slips ftw.


Nice try, but I've typed the wrong name more rounds than this one. Keep the short questions and innuendos coming - it just makes my job easier in figuring out this last bit.
Verileah 13 years ago
my Greywood thoughts:
You're the only character left with drug ties, and we know that a mafia member knows his way around cocaine because they are specifically quoted as saying "I would know." You specify in your bio that your parents were wealthy and you were spoiled - you're telling me you weren't getting the good drugs? Spence tried everything from paint thinner to heroin, but somehow cocaine didn't make it on the list? You also wear a wifebeater and have some violence against women in your back story, which ties to things the mafia has actually said and done (talking smack about women, mutilating women's bodies). And that shit's off the top of my head. If we're basing our suspicions on things the mafia has actually said and done, I can't imagine not having you on the list.

Looking at your bio, here's another thing - Spence forced his girlfriend to drink a bottle of tequila omg where have we seen things being forced into people's mouths? Oh yeah the kills!


Later:
In combing bios for food references to peer review Nicole's list, this caught my eye:

She started smoking pot and cigarettes by age 13 and has been arrested for grand theft auto twice before 15.
I don't know how I missed this before - Greywood, I apologize for thinking you were the only character left with a drug reference in their bio. It really was an honest mistake. I still find your drug connection more compelling than Nicole's, but I should not have exaggerated and said you were the only one left with a drug reference.

*thinks* so what do all these oral references actually mean? Things being shoved down people's throats, swallowing, mention of 'feeding'...I don't know, is food actually at the heart of this? Keep in mind the one who choked on actual food was a serial kill victim, not mafia. I don't think it's referring to smoking - maybe being overweight? Or hungry? Or chewing on gum or tobacco?

I don't know, at the same time I admit to being wrong about Greywood, I think I might be right about it referring to Spence force-feeding his girlfriend a bottle of tequila.


My Victor thoughts:
I have my sights set on Victor, because it's the same situation there as with Shutupsara except I feel Victor is more likely to be mafia. I believe he's not helping the townie cause and he's handing the mafia an extra vote whether he's mafia or not. I've already touched on my reasoning for suspecting Victor is mafia but I'll recap, without going into the little verbal cues but again based on the mafia's actual actions and what we know about them:

Victor is a big fellah, somewhat imposing. Someone strong enough to block a door that another person is throwing their weight onto, someone intimidating.
Victor knows his way around a gun, and furthermore understands how sharpshooters operate.
Victor is an instructor in close quarters combat – all the kills have occurred in tight spaces.
Victor carries a folding tactical knife – does that make a snapping sound when opening and closing?
He has “slowly lost his grasp of what it was to be a decent and honorable man” and has no problem watching men and women die.

Now the big con in all of this is the possibility that the evidence for Keriath might point to other people (like Vudu, especially), and, like I’ve said before, if you make a bio that features lots of killing for a game that features lots of killing, you’re gonna look guilty. Also, one thing that hasn’t been featured in any of the kills is demolition, which is Victor’s other specialty. But it's not like Roz is going to write a kill that's all 'the killer took out his tactical knife and cut his victim, then shot him in the head with his rifle and, to finish the job, exploded him.'
Verileah 13 years ago
I didn't post much on Gongaa, others have *shrugs*

Gongaa has quite a few of the wordy clues pointed his way, but I don’t know that he really fits anywhere in my profiling attempt. He’s playing quiet but contributing to the threads a little at least. Spatula could be a murder weapon.
Vulash 13 years ago
Again - I don't see much for Greywood except the Cocaine (which is big). The difference in him and Sara is - well their actions. One is acting guilty, and trying to mix things up while the other has appeared to be trying to discover and lynch mafia. Now looks can be deceiving in this game for sure, but voting patterns, etc seem to hold up, and talking to him off the boards seems to hold up. I'm not sold he's safe either I should point out. He's on my radar - just less than Sara.

As far as victor. I can't figure him out, and maybe that was intentional. I thought maybe he was just bored and voting for me, but that isn't the case. I don't think tactical knives make a snapping sound so that is out. The only thing I see that you've said that I think holds any weight is the fact that he is big and could have jammed the door. The tight spaces thing seems iffy.

I'll be honest - you have far more clues pointing at you than either of them. You're petite (there were at least 2-3 smaller unthreatening members of mafia left) - granted I'm not imposing so that clue fits many. You have the colored pencils. You have several items that could be used in place of the spatula - multitool, sewing kit etc. You fit the food/oral theme better than anyone since that was your main reason to be in the bank, and honestly you seemed to want to deflect that clue away from food despite one of the quotes referencing it exactly. There are more but I'm not up for bio combing tonight.

Also you've seemed different this game. On top of that you've spent most of the game kind of hanging back - doing your part but not taking a role - until now. Now when we go to lynch Sara you are a bit in attack mode without downright defending her.

I'm not pointing the finger at you. I just don't know what to think as far as you are concerned.

Everyone has spent so much energy proclaiming me to be devious and play such a deep game, and honestly I do. You play just as deep of a game as I do, and you have far more experience. Unlike some that keep voting for me I know that roles aren't based on that - so that doesnt' make you mafia, but it makes me wary. I think people have this impression of devious vulash and innocent but intelligent verileah, but you can just as devious - you're just better at not making a scene with it :P

In short - I simply don't know if you're a townie trying to step up now that its crucial, or if you've quietly laid a foundation of pointing at enough people we couldnt' suspect you, and now that numbers are dwindling you can start making your play. Having said all of that it's difficult for me to be persuaded by the clues you're posting because in the back of my mind I'm wondering if I'm just being manipulated, or if I really should be listening since you're better at clue searching than I am. Obviously, I need to decide soon because figuring out your role in this could be the most important part of the game so far.

Well that was long winded, but I hadnt' said a ton today and I wanted to let it be known where I stood. I've spent so much time reading and rereading character bios, OOCs, votes - I've read everything on this board except roleplay parts at least 3 times, and probably a dozen for the bios - and I always have to write these long ass messages to get my point across - so I'm a little spent right now.

I just want to be clear - I am NOT condemning verileah or saying I think she is mafia - I just think at this point in the game we need to think very carefully about what everyone is posting - and I guess that includes what I post to be fair.
Verileah 13 years ago
Honest to goodness Vulash, I just straight up think you are wrong about clues pointing to Sara. I don't think your opinion is worth more than mine, and I don't think you know anything I don't know. We're both reading the same stuff here, just as lost and in the dark.

As for clues pointing to me - I guess I got caught up in trying to figure out what the clues actually mean, or even if they're actual clues. I think the only thing that really applies to me moreso than anyone else is the food, and I don't think those clues mean food - nowhere is food mentioned, but rather feeding, the verb. Foreign objects, not food, were shoved down victim's throats.
Wystro 13 years ago
Damn, you guys are prolific! I just got back from Happy Hour...slow down a little so I can catch up.

I promise to read as fast as I can =)
ShutUpSara 13 years ago
Vulash is determined that I should be lynched. That's his opinion, and he has a right to it. I'm not surprised that he's getting super-defensive, trying to discredit me as much as possible, since I keep saying that I am convinced that he's GF.

Like I said before, if you want to hang me, do it. You won't gain jack shit, except having the Mafia one kill closer to winning. There's 11 of us left, and the number "clues" point to 3-4 (or even more) Mafia left. So if you lynch yet another innocent person, and with the Mafia hit, that pretty much evens the odds between Mafia and Townies.

I fail to see how lynching me is going to help anyone but the Mafia, and the people who say that my vote - or anyone's for that matter - doesn't matter just points towards those people who don't think living Townies matter as being Mafia. Mafia members are the only people who have anything to gain from killing.

I've made my mind up, I'm not going to say anything else in OOC. (oOoOo.. That must mean I'm Mafia!!!)
Wystro 13 years ago
In this amazing thread, I haven't seen too much that convinces me of anyone's guilt. I'm going with Verileah's choice of Keriath/Victor because the reasoning seems plausible, and I don't feel like lynching another woman this round. Good luck to all of us!

((Edit: that reads as very faux-chivalrous, but I just want to take a chance and hit a guy since I know there is at least one or two in the mafia! If I wanted to White Knight someone, it would be one of the hotter dudes...please feel free to send pictures!))
Greywood 13 years ago
What you don't seem to realize is that if you are a townie and you are already splitting up your vote then the mafia block of votes could ALREADY turn the tide to get a townie lynched...especially if 2-3 townies start voting differently than the rest. Therefore, if you are already intent on voting for Vulash, or Verileah, or whoever you choose that the majority of the townies aren't you are allowing the mafia to be that much closer to hanging multiple different people.
Wystro 13 years ago
Three people are voting three different ways. I'm not being disruptive by choosing one to agree with. I'll look at it in the morning before deadline and see where the consensus is at that point.

I expected to see a pile of votes when I got home, but surprisingly found only three. I figured that everyone, including you, was still considering their best course. Best of luck again to all players, Mafia and Townie alike. I'll see you all in the morning.
Greywood 13 years ago
I was actually talking to Sara about the way she was choosing to vote and how she didn't understand how her vote would be meaningless if she was a townie.
ShutUpSara 13 years ago
4 votes against me as I'm going to bed, and approx. 4 Mafia members left... hmmmm
Verileah 13 years ago
My my, has Keriath decided to come out and play? Or are you going to go right back to being another vote for Vulash each round after this little bout of self preservation?
CaptainBinky 13 years ago
I implore the townies to reconsider voting for Victor instead of Sara. The evidence against her is nowhere near as good as what Verileah has posted against Victor. If the mafia then hit Sara it will then confirm that she is the Sheriff and if not, well she looks like a townie to me and so no harm done. But either way, we learn something.
Vulash 13 years ago
CaptainBinky;99068
I implore the townies to reconsider voting for Victor instead of Sara. The evidence against her is nowhere near as good as what Verileah has posted against Victor. If the mafia then hit Sara it will then confirm that she is the Sheriff and if not, well she looks like a townie to me and so no harm done. But either way, we learn something.


What evidence against Victor? he's big - that's it. The rest were not clues.

I STILL find it very odd that 2 straight townie lynchings there were no resistance, and now you and verileah are trying like hell to save Sara

This is my last "reasoning" for why Sara should be lynched. I *know* that she is not the sheriff. I have a good indication who the sheriff was (sadly). The Boris lynch was pretty clear that he was townie. They aren't all clear, but his is. So she is not the sheriff but keeps claiming to be. I still think she is mafia, and if she is not then she is deliberately sabotaging the townies - there is no way around that.

There aren't a ton of clues in her bio, but there is the following:

Scars around throat
Zune
Half eaten bagel
switch blade (snaps when it comes out)
Her character portrait is pointing straight at her mouth

Claiming that there are clues for victor doesn't make it so. I've seen one, and most of what you posted was fluff.
CaptainBinky 13 years ago
As has been mentioned a million times before, the scars are "barely noticeable". You telling me that someone would strain to make out what those subtle marks are and go "OH! Small scars! I must do a Joker reference!"?!?! No, it's a non-clue included just to make the list of evidence appear larger. If the Joker thing points to anything, it's severe scarring or heavy makeup or perhaps, as someone said, Roz had recently watched Batman and it means nothing.

All the other bits of evidence are things that other bios have in abundance.

Whereas Victor... well hell, I'll just post some of what Verileah said again.

Victor is a big fellah, somewhat imposing. Someone strong enough to block a door that another person is throwing their weight onto, someone intimidating.
Victor knows his way around a gun, and furthermore understands how sharpshooters operate.
Victor is an instructor in close quarters combat – all the kills have occurred in tight spaces.
Victor carries a folding tactical knife – does that make a snapping sound when opening and closing?
He has “slowly lost his grasp of what it was to be a decent and honorable man” and has no problem watching men and women die.


You're honestly saying that some tenuous links to food, a knife which loads of characters have (including Victor), and some barely visible scars incriminates Sara more than Victor's?

Strikes me as an emotional vote and not a rational one, if you ask me.
Verileah 13 years ago
Hey, I'm as disturbed as anyone to be agreeing with Binky.

Vulash I think you are taking too many things for granted. How do you know who the sheriff was, and how can you expect other people to believe that you know who the sheriff was without telling us anything? How do you know your sheriff is the real sheriff?

I'm not convinced by your clues, you're not convinced by mine, but I've said it once and I'll say it again - your opinion isn't any better than mine. My theories are not 'fluff' or non-clues on your sayso. I'm stating my opinions as opinions and you are stating yours as fact, and I am having none of it.